It looks like we’re heading for a depression

[Tanko]

No, I didn't phrase it well.

I am wrong for the liberal comment @Tanko , my apologies. That was terrible phrasing by me. That's way too generalistic.

He just seems to have some solid moral stances that have been displayed throughout the thread that make it really hard to understand why he voted for Trump in the first place. Like it is just interested it took this to finally realize it may have been a mistake.

Like there were infinite examples of behavior like this from his first term, during Biden's term, and on the campaign trail for both elections that would make him do disqualified for it

I just don't understand why it takes this long to realize Trump is a mistake when you have generally a solid moral compass

As you love to point out, I have admitted a number of times that I may have voter regret but, my options were between bad and worse this election. I had to chose the one I felt would benefit me the most.

No one. I mean no one predicted this tariff stuff nor DOGE changes before the election. They talked about improving the government and creating jobs in America but this stuff is nuts.

 

[stormtrooper8]

Wait what?
So voting for someone should not be based on what they say their policies will be??? WTH?

Politicians are salespeople. Their speeches are not policy. There is a big distinction.

Trump doesn't discuss policy. He says blanket statements to try and convince idiots to vote for him, and he's relatively pretty good at doing that.

Trump saying things like "I'm going to end the Ukraine War" is not policy. That's an empty promise that's geared towards idiots who don't understand the circumstances. His past history suggested he is not going to be tough with Putin.

You should 100% vote for people on policy. Not on the drivel politicians say on campaign stops.

 

[Tanko]

Politicians are salespeople. Their speeches are not policy. There is a big distinction.

Trump doesn't discuss policy. He says blanket statements to try and convince idiots to vote for him, and he's relatively pretty good at doing that.

Trump saying things like "I'm going to end the Ukraine War" is not policy. That's an empty promise that's geared towards idiots who don't understand the circumstances. His past history suggested he is not going to be tough with Putin.

You should 100% vote for people on policy. Not on the drivel politicians say on campaign stops.

We see eye-to-eye on this post, except the idiot part. I realize there are a lot of idiots who did vote for him but there are a lot of very intelligent people who voted for him as well (just not as many as there were of the other group).

 

[stormtrooper8]

As you love to point out, I have admitted a number of times that I may have voter regret but, my options were between bad and worse this election. I had to chose the one I felt would benefit me the most.

No one. I mean no one predicted this tariff stuff nor DOGE changes before the election. They talked about improving the government and creating jobs in America but this stuff is nuts.

They talked about it. That's all he has done for years. Talk.

He also has "talked" about how the 2020 election was stolen from him with not a shred of evidence. That ALONE is so morally fucked that it should disqualify him from being president.

But again, our country is intellectually lazy and morally confused, which is a bad combination.

 

[KVB]

my options were between bad and worse this election. I had to chose the one I felt would benefit me the most.

I remember having a discussion and saying I didn't like the idea of firing the FDA head and putting one in that will declare safe abortion drugs as unsafe to fight abortion.

That is all kinds of wrong, especially lying about scientific study results.

You know what the response to that was?

"So you must like that there are millions of migrants invading our country and support open borders. How could you do that? How could support these liberal policies?"

So, you see, like I said a couple of times in this thread, it's likely topic ignorance that sends everyone back to their propaganda. It's easy to see which posters fall victim to this.

 

[stormtrooper8]

No one. I mean no one predicted this tariff stuff nor DOGE changes before the election. They talked about improving the government and creating jobs in America but this stuff is nuts.

A lot of us did our research and knew this was a possibility.

What presidential candidate HASN'T talked about improving the government and creating jobs?

It's hard to pinpoint what exactly would happen, because he is so erratic and can change his mind so quickly (see what happened today?)

 

[Tanko]

I remember having a discussion and saying I didn't like the idea of firing the FDA head and putting one in that will declare safe abortion drugs as unsafe to fight abortion.

That is all kinds of wrong, especially lying about scientific study results.

You know what the response to that was?

"So you must like that there are millions of migrants invading our country and support open borders. How could you do that? How could support these liberal policies?"

So, you see, like I said a couple of times in this thread, it's likely topic ignorance that sends everyone back to their propaganda.

As you know, this happens a lot.

 

[KVB]

because he is so erratic and can change his mind so quickly

You can acknolwedge the reality try to navigate it, or you can just say the man is on a different level and knows more about these things than anyone else in the world so every move is calculated to be a perfect move, the best move in history.

You can see both perspectives play out in this thread.

 

[Tanko]

A lot of us did our research and knew this was a possibility.

What presidential candidate HASN'T talked about improving the government and creating jobs?

It's hard to pinpoint what exactly would happen, because he is so erratic and can change his mind so quickly (see what happened today?)

Serious question....

Can you point me to a quote or video clip indicating Trump saying he would tariff everyone, shutdown govt agencies, and layoff 300K within 3 months? I never heard anything close to that.

There is a big difference in how to complete the tasks. It can be done in an organized fashion like Clinton did in the 90s with reducing the Gov't size and how Trump is doing it. Simlar can be said for how Tariff fiasco was carried out.

 

[KVB]

Serious question....

Can you point me to a quote or video clip indicating Trump saying he would tariff everyone, shutdown govt agencies, and layoff 300K within 3 months? I never heard anything close to that.

There is a big difference in how to complete the tasks. It can be done in an organized fashion like Clinton did in the 90s with reducing the Gov't size and how Trump is doing it. Simlar can be said for how Tariff fiasco was carried out.

Trump says his favorite word is tariff.

He also said tariffs won't raise prices, he said other countries will pay the tariff.

So he either lied, or doesn't understand how tariffs work. It has to be one or the other.

As far as the layoffs go, Trump signed an executive order to get this done in his first term, but it was late in the term and Biden reversed it.

So Trump got back in and signed it again. So the layoffs and ability to install loyalty over merit dates back to his first term and is a tenet of Project 2025.

There was a database, like linked in for "conservatives" and that is meant as a pool to hire loyal government workers.

So the Project 2025 plan was not only to fire those workers, but to hire loyal ones. Don't be surprised if all these job cuts don't turn out to be about efficiency when the open positions get filled with "loyalists".

This is part of a well laid out plan.

 

[Brock Landers]

Even fox news isn't believing Trump's bullshit

Fox’s Gasparino Argues Trump Didn’t ‘Outsmart’ the World and Tariff Drop Was ‘Forced’ by Bond Selloff: ‘Those Markets Were Imploding Last Night’

Fox's Charles Gasparino made the case that President Donald Trump's tariff pause was largely motivated by alarming activity in the bond market.

www.mediaite.com

 

[Tanko]

Trump says his favorite word is tariff.

He also said tariffs won't raise prices, he said other countries will pay the tariff.

So he either lied, or doesn't understand how tariffs work. It has to be one or the other.

As far as the layoffs go, Trump signed an executive order to get this done in his first term, but it was late in the term and Biden reversed it.

So Trump got back in and signed it again. So the layoffs and ability to install loyalty over merit dates back to his first term and is a tenet of Project 2025.

There was a database, like linked in for "conservatives" and that is meant as a pool to hire loyal government workers.

So the Project 2025 plan was not only to fire those workers, but to hire loyal ones. Don't be surprised if all these job cuts don't turn out to be about efficiency when the open positions get filled with "loyalists".

This is part of a well laid out plan.

I don't believe the plans for playoffs were to the extent we are seeing. It was supposedly to cut some to eliminate waste and excess. I guess the definition of those has changed.

As for the tariffs, I can say I like ice cream but, I'm not going to eat 100 gallons of it in one sitting.

 

[Tanko]

I don't believe the plans for playoffs were to the extent we are seeing. It was supposedly to cut some to eliminate waste and excess. I guess the definition of those has changed.

As for the tariffs, I can say I like ice cream but, I'm not going to eat 100 gallons of it in one sitting.

I knew he wasn't going to exactly follow his plan since he does lie (they all do - he just likes to set new standards doing it) but, no way, no how did I ever believe it would be carried out to this extent. That is why I am surprised and pissed.

 

[Brock Landers]

Fortunately, like I said before, the last administration had an objectively humming economy and this administration can take advantage of that by getting away with moves like this.

That also means they can safely manipulate markets to a high degree and rely on the economy handed to them to keep thigns propped up.

Read this....this broad is a fucking lunatic

Karoline Leavitt tears into media after Trump's U-turn on tariffs

DAILYMAIL.COM LIVE BLOG: Donald Trump is putting a 90-day tariffs pause on over 75 countries that are negotiating a better deal with his administration.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[KVB]

I don't believe the plan for playoffs were to the extent we are seeing. As for the tariffs, I can say I like ice cream but, I'm not going to eat 100 gallons of it in one sitting.

You don't believe? WTF? It's been a plan for like 8 years, well laid out in fact.

I think it's called shcedule F.

Beleee dat.

As far as ice cream and tariffs, there is nobody in the world that thinks this rollout of tariffs was the way to handle it. Nobody.

As this thread shows, that was obvioulsy poorly and hastily done and many of us think Trump was getting bad advice there. Shit, congress almost stepped in.

No surprise they called it off.

 

[Brock Landers]

They talked about it. That's all he has done for years. Talk.

He also has "talked" about how the 2020 election was stolen from him with not a shred of evidence. That ALONE is so morally fucked that it should disqualify him from being president.

But again, our country is intellectually lazy and morally confused, which is a bad combination.

Don't forget he's also a 34 time convicted felon LOL

 

[Tanko]

I've spent waaaayyy to much time in this thread today.
Maybe we all regroup in 90 days.

 

[stormtrooper8]

Serious question....

Can you point me to a quote or video clip indicating Trump saying he would tariff everyone, shutdown govt agencies, and layoff 300K within 3 months? I never heard anything close to that.

There is a big difference in how to complete the tasks. It can be done in an organized fashion like Clinton did in the 90s with reducing the Gov't size and how Trump is doing it. Simlar can be said for how Tariff fiasco was carried out.

Trump has a history of negligent, irresponsible policy decisions and making decisions out of emotion. He also has a history of blatant lying. These specific ideas were well-discussed not just by Trump but by Project 2025 proponents and his inner circle. He also did discuss shutting down government agencies and laying off people quickly.

Him actually going through with it is not predictable because of how much he lies/how erratic he is/how immoral he is as a leader. But there was more than enough out there to know that something like this was on the board. In gambling terms, this outcome was definitely "live".

My question to you would be why it even takes this shit to realize he's bad for our country, when you seem to have a decent enough grasp on things and aren't morally fucked? Think about how erratic he has been for a decade.

Why wouldn't something like Jan 6 or denying the election results of 2020 be enough for you? That's what I still struggle to understand. He could have had an impeccable record and those events by themselves would be a disqualfier for me. And he obviously had a bad first term by any objective metric. And he's done DOZENS of things like this over the last decade.

If you thought he was the lesser of two evils, you could have just not voted for either.

I didn't vote for president in 2024. I would have voted for Biden if his health was OK and stayed on the ticket.

 

[Tanko]

Trump has a history of negligent, irresponsible policy decisions and making decisions out of emotion. He also has a history of blatant lying. These specific ideas were well-discussed not just by Trump but by Project 2025 proponents and his inner circle. He also did discuss shutting down government agencies and laying off people quickly.

Him actually going through with it is not predictable because of how much he lies/how erratic he is/how immoral he is as a leader. But there was more than enough out there to know that something like this was on the board. In gambling terms, this outcome was definitely "live".

My question to you would be why it even takes this shit to realize he's bad for our country, when you seem to have a decent enough grasp on things and aren't morally fucked? Think about how erratic he has been for a decade.

Why wouldn't something like Jan 6 or denying the election results of 2020 be enough for you? That's what I still struggle to understand. He could have had an impeccable record and those events by themselves would be a disqualfier for me. And he obviously had a bad first term by any objective metric. And he's done DOZENS of things like this over the last decade.

If you thought he was the lesser of two evils, you could have just not voted for either.

I didn't vote for president in 2024. I would have voted for Biden if his health was OK and stayed on the ticket.

Valid points.
At the time, I knew about some of the drawbacks voting for him but felt he would benefit me the most going forward. So far, that does not appear to be the case.

BTW I didn't go into the voting booth with rose colored glasses on. I knew there would be issues but not like this.

 

[KingKolzig]

Don't forget he's also a 34 time convicted felon LOL

Will the sexpot Bald lady be showing you the Bare market this weekend?