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Wagerallsports said:
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This is exactly the shit I don’t get with the hobby today.

Ok - you got a nice Barry Bonds autographed card - that is 1/1 from that particular run of cards.

- It’s rare, in that they only made 1 BUT
- it’s not his rookie card
- it’s not like his autograph is scarce
- they will make another set next year and he will sign another 1/1
- in fact there are SEVERAL 1 of 1 Barry Bonds cards out there.
- Kids today never even saw him play and don’t understand the big deal about why he’s not in the HOF likely.

Personally - if I was a Barry Bonds fan and wanted a valuable card of his - I’d go with the ‘87 Donruss Opening Day set with Johnny Ray photo. It’s “rare” by junk wax standards at least and it’s a rookie. No idea what they run these days - but I’d guess well under a grand. Again, not 1-1 - but 1-1 or even 1-50 is way overrated.

I’ve been offered hundreds of ‘52 Mantles over the years - doesn’t make them less valuable being “plentiful” compared to some other cards. People forget ‘52 Topps flooded the market with those giant cards - and they kind of flopped. 1000s of boxes found their way back to wholesalers and Topps by January ‘53 and they were dumped in the ocean “supposedly” - reality they went home with employees or were never destroyed by wholesalers as they said they would and just tossed in warehouses - hoping to offload them the following season.

Rarity is over valued in general - recognition and affordability to the common collector are under rated. ILLINI will likely back me on this comparison - watches. There are literally 100s of watches that are both far superior in build and beauty to a Rolex - as well as rarity and price. But the guy in the street selling hot watches claims he has Rolex’s - because it’s the name brand everyone knows and associates with a high end watch.

A common man can still buy an overpriced 25k Rolex at his neighborhood jeweler or pawn shop. But he can’t walk in and browse the quarter million dollar brands - so he things Rolex is as good as it gets foolishly. Same with cars - how many dumbases by an entry level 3 series German car think it’s “special” - it’s nothing more than a Camry XLE - but don’t tell the owners that.
 

Tanko

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djefferis said:
This is exactly the shit I don’t get with the hobby today.

Ok - you got a nice Barry Bonds autographed card - that is 1/1 from that particular run of cards.

- It’s rare, in that they only made 1 BUT
- it’s not his rookie card
- it’s not like his autograph is scarce
- they will make another set next year and he will sign another 1/1
- in fact there are SEVERAL 1 of 1 Barry Bonds cards out there.
- Kids today never even saw him play and don’t understand the big deal about why he’s not in the HOF likely.

Personally - if I was a Barry Bonds fan and wanted a valuable card of his - I’d go with the ‘87 Donruss Opening Day set with Johnny Ray photo. It’s “rare” by junk wax standards at least and it’s a rookie. No idea what they run these days - but I’d guess well under a grand. Again, not 1-1 - but 1-1 or even 1-50 is way overrated.

I’ve been offered hundreds of ‘52 Mantles over the years - doesn’t make them less valuable being “plentiful” compared to some other cards. People forget ‘52 Topps flooded the market with those giant cards - and they kind of flopped. 1000s of boxes found their way back to wholesalers and Topps by January ‘53 and they were dumped in the ocean “supposedly” - reality they went home with employees or were never destroyed by wholesalers as they said they would and just tossed in warehouses - hoping to offload them the following season.

Rarity is over valued in general - recognition and affordability to the common collector are under rated. ILLINI will likely back me on this comparison - watches. There are literally 100s of watches that are both far superior in build and beauty to a Rolex - as well as rarity and price. But the guy in the street selling hot watches claims he has Rolex’s - because it’s the name brand everyone knows and associates with a high end watch.

A common man can still buy an overpriced 25k Rolex at his neighborhood jeweler or pawn shop. But he can’t walk in and browse the quarter million dollar brands - so he things Rolex is as good as it gets foolishly. Same with cars - how many dumbases by an entry level 3 series German car think it’s “special” - it’s nothing more than a Camry XLE - but don’t tell the owners that.
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Wow... You, Wager, and Fly should meet up at a bar someday and talk trading cards.
You all seem very very knowledgeable.
 

Wagerallsports

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djefferis said:
This is exactly the shit I don’t get with the hobby today.

Ok - you got a nice Barry Bonds autographed card - that is 1/1 from that particular run of cards.

- It’s rare, in that they only made 1 BUT
- it’s not his rookie card
- it’s not like his autograph is scarce
- they will make another set next year and he will sign another 1/1
- in fact there are SEVERAL 1 of 1 Barry Bonds cards out there.
- Kids today never even saw him play and don’t understand the big deal about why he’s not in the HOF likely.

Personally - if I was a Barry Bonds fan and wanted a valuable card of his - I’d go with the ‘87 Donruss Opening Day set with Johnny Ray photo. It’s “rare” by junk wax standards at least and it’s a rookie. No idea what they run these days - but I’d guess well under a grand. Again, not 1-1 - but 1-1 or even 1-50 is way overrated.

I’ve been offered hundreds of ‘52 Mantles over the years - doesn’t make them less valuable being “plentiful” compared to some other cards. People forget ‘52 Topps flooded the market with those giant cards - and they kind of flopped. 1000s of boxes found their way back to wholesalers and Topps by January ‘53 and they were dumped in the ocean “supposedly” - reality they went home with employees or were never destroyed by wholesalers as they said they would and just tossed in warehouses - hoping to offload them the following season.

Rarity is over valued in general - recognition and affordability to the common collector are under rated. ILLINI will likely back me on this comparison - watches. There are literally 100s of watches that are both far superior in build and beauty to a Rolex - as well as rarity and price. But the guy in the street selling hot watches claims he has Rolex’s - because it’s the name brand everyone knows and associates with a high end watch.

A common man can still buy an overpriced 25k Rolex at his neighborhood jeweler or pawn shop. But he can’t walk in and browse the quarter million dollar brands - so he things Rolex is as good as it gets foolishly. Same with cars - how many dumbases by an entry level 3 series German car think it’s “special” - it’s nothing more than a Camry XLE - but don’t tell the owners that.
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Have you seen what people are paying/bidding for those 2023-24 Topps Chrome Disney Numbered Cards?

It’s so ridiculous…
 

flyingillini

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Tanko said:
Wow... You, Wager, and Fly should meet up at a bar someday and talk trading cards.
You all seem very very knowledgeable.
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Tankster, they are posting modern shiny stuff, I do not understand or or have any interest in it. I don't even comprehend it. I have been into cards since I was 10 years old and been only into prewar since I was about 13 years old. 1886-1933 is my range. Rarely something in the 40s-50s, but still appreciate it.
 

djefferis

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flyingillini said:
Topps is now doing Boxing stuff, curious how far back they are going to go with their auto "cuts" and who they come up with.
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Why make a card set for a sport who most people under 40 couldn’t name a current fighter in who isn’t Jake Paul.

I’m sure there will be some Marciano and Joe Louis chase cards along with Tyson. Biggest question likely to be Ali - not sure who the estate is tied to (if anyone) these days. I remember years ago they were under contract with Classic - but that was the 90s when he’d sign non stop.

This really feels a lot like the market circa 1993 - so much product and so many sports suddenly seeing cards produced. It’s not sustainable long term. I’m a “budget” collector these days - I’ll still buy boxes of ‘87 Donruss and Fleer where I can for under $50 and I’ll still pick up some ‘89 UD wax and some ‘89 Fleer with desirable date codes again when the price is right. But that’s the only modern stuff I save. Otherwise - key rookies and early 50s stars in low grades as they are easy to resell and can usually squeeze a profit. Comfort zone is $50-5k - anything less is just too cheap to mess with - anything more it takes a special type of buyer. You can make good money flipping high end stuff - but got to know your markets.
 
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