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djefferis

djefferis

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One thing I’ve always been puzzled about with the grading of cards - why is it not on a better scale than the 1-10 used ?

Coins use a 70 point scale (stupid I think too - make it a 100 point and attach ranges in say 5 categories of 1-20) - but 1-10 is way too subjective. The difference between a 2 and a 3 is huge at times and with no standard it’s a crapshoot getting stuff graded.

Beckett tried to change it some I know - but these days it’s PSA as the standard - I don’t hold a lot of graded stuff and what I have is lower grade. For example I have an “authentic” 1955 Clemente rookie - paid $400 for it. Why is it “authentic” vs a 1 ? No idea - usually trimming gets you that grade - but no obvious trim. Pen mark from the 50s fountain pen can be seen - so guessing that’s what got it marked authentic.

I’ve got a few Jim Brown rookies too - I think they are 2’s and a 3 - but again one of the 2s looks way better than the 3 in my opinion.
 

djefferis

djefferis

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Just pulled gem mint Jordan 91 fleer. Getting it graded

what was the Fleer insert that was die cut foil shaped like the foul lane ? I have one of those buggers that’s perfect and a beam team Jordan that I saved a long time ago when they came out. They were in the box of cards I set aside in the late 90s as I got away from the hobby along with all the autographs I had gotten and various other cards of sentimental value to me. I know those inserts are definitely worth grading if you can get a 9 or 10 - but yea, even graded most regular stuff from the 90s is not worth the cost.
 

flyingillini

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One thing I’ve always been puzzled about with the grading of cards - why is it not on a better scale than the 1-10 used ?

Coins use a 70 point scale (stupid I think too - make it a 100 point and attach ranges in say 5 categories of 1-20) - but 1-10 is way too subjective. The difference between a 2 and a 3 is huge at times and with no standard it’s a crapshoot getting stuff graded.

Beckett tried to change it some I know - but these days it’s PSA as the standard - I don’t hold a lot of graded stuff and what I have is lower grade. For example I have an “authentic” 1955 Clemente rookie - paid $400 for it. Why is it “authentic” vs a 1 ? No idea - usually trimming gets you that grade - but no obvious trim. Pen mark from the 50s fountain pen can be seen - so guessing that’s what got it marked authentic.

I’ve got a few Jim Brown rookies too - I think they are 2’s and a 3 - but again one of the 2s looks way better than the 3 in my opinion.
Authentic means it doesn’t quality for a grade. Altered , trimmed etc. but at least they are saying it’s real. Watch this. This is crazy but you can see 1000s of these videos. It still doesn’t change anything. Grades command certain $. It will always be that way.

 

Wagerallsports

Wagerallsports

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Someone who is a card collector explain this to me????
WTH?
Most card packs/boxes contain special inserts/cards

Some fancier & more rare than others - some possibly heavier than others

Used to be that savvy card collectors could learn to see or feel special inserted cards through the packs (I was pretty good at this)

The companies have corrected this through the years

Appears now that this is now the newer method for those desperate enough

But if you notice, it is pointed out above that the specific boxes he is weighing don’t even include special cards that would have any difference in weight lol
 

djefferis

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It’s hilarious this is still a thing - and people think they are being “innovative” in trying it (and that card companies aren’t aware buyers would try it.

In the late 80s I paid off clerks at every retail store to give me a chance to check their rack pack cases on arrival before opening. Would come in and have my master list - could tell you exactly where the Ripken FF, Jefferies and Griffey RC as well as any other card of interest was. Of course certain product we just bought them out of still sealed (mainly Fleer) as I could pay $1 and sell it for $1.75-2 easy.

The 2nd or 3rd year of Upper Deck Baseketball has the first real “chase” card I could think of - was a Jordan insert and it sold for like $50 from memory. If I remember correctly it was a Toys ‘R US exclusive. The thing was cards came 15 to a pack - but there would be 16 if the insert was present. Anyway - my best friend worked Early AM inventory at Toys R Us and got me on as seasonal help - the 2 of us with micrometers searched every pack our stores got and likely got every one of those inserts.

So many tricks in this hobby back in the day - it’s like card restoration that they sell now for vintage stuff. I couldn’t tell you the number of corners I shaved and pen ink I removed from classic cards to make them more attractive in the 80s/90s. Exacto knives, magnifying lamp and jewelers loop were my tools of the trade.
 
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