BETNOW STEALS OVER 2K FROM MY ACCOUNT

[Miz]

they may have gotten smashed on derivatives or lives by an odds-jam like crew. so even though they are individuals, they appear as a group to the book. Again, i am not saying this a valid reason for blatant stiffs... don't get me wrong here

 

[BigJay]

Agreed - but per the OP - he was accused of participating in a syndicate.

Betting stale lines is one matter - circumventing limits by synchronizing multiple accounts to bet the same stale line is another.

First I completely agree with the take - pay and close. But syndicates are a different matter entirely.

Given BetNow and their relatively limited live bet offerings and low limits - surprised it even attracted the attention of a syndicate to be honest. Guess some 3rd world players consider $300 “alot” of money to win.

Again - it’s pretty easy / if BetNow can show evidence of a syndicate play being released and OPs bets being made within 60 seconds of it 11 times in a day - that’s beyond coincidence. They have the opportunity to share their evidence and put the matter to rest. I don’t know who is being dishonest here - just have seen the story enough to know not to trust posters blindly.

@ferrisdamen or Jeffrey What books is the guy in the video talking about stiffing him for so much?

Can’t watch a video that long

 

[ferrisdamen]

@ferrisdamen or Jeffrey What books is the guy in the video talking about stiffing him for so much?

Can’t watch a video that long

He is very vague,

Don't blame you a lot of it was not super relevant stuff anyways

 

[ferrisdamen]

yeah who gets to define whether it's a syndicate?... that becomes a lame excuse to stiff people... if all 11 of these bets were max 500 then "maybe" someone could consider them to be circumventing limits, not too many people would do that to bet 10, 100, 150, and other random amounts.

betnow just picked 4 games that had huge live action and said since this player had action on those 4 games (and 7 others) then the player must be a thieving scumbag. which of course defines betnow if the facts are anywhere close to what the poster is claiming

Trust me it was not super fancy plays...and it wasn't odds jam stuff either although I agree with MM that that could be a BS excuse to not play anything that someone else might also play...it was sides and totals and propbuilder props..my account dwindled between $1500 to $0 back to $1500 for MONTHS before I ever won and only after I won and verified my ID in preparation to request a payout did I start getting the sheisty treatment

 

[manurespreader]

Question to my fellow Betnow STIFF victims: do you have any idea how much you were up/down lifetime when they stole from you and kicked you out?

 

[ferrisdamen]

I was up ~$6200 here lifetime, deposited $1499 was refunded that and no mas.

Regarding those who are nervous about how/whether to process a withdrawal:

 

[sickgambler]

I was up ~$6200 here lifetime, deposited $1499 was refunded that and no mas.

Regarding those who are nervous about how/whether to process a withdrawal:

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Well there is always two sides to every story. And then there is the truth

 

[baus]

Well there is always two sides to every story. And then there is the truth

I believe 100% of the posters here who have documented getting stiffed by SBG & Betnow. They’ve turned rogue.

BAUS

 

[BigJay]

I believe 100% of the posters here who have documented getting stiffed by SBG & Betnow. They’ve turned rogue.

BAUS

@baus was BetNow always owned by SBG or just recently?

 

[djefferis]

I believe 100% of the posters here who have documented getting stiffed by SBG & Betnow. They’ve turned rogue.

BAUS

My only question is why now ?

Clearly 20 cent line sets, limited payout options on large balances, big bonus with rollover that encourages scalping and recreational/square bettors only is a winning formula - why ruin it to steal $10,00 or so ?

We aren’t talking a BetIslands sized steal here - hell we aren’t even talking about a BetWWS sized stiff job. They are selectively picking and choosing who they steal from without regard to the balance.

It feels to me like a pure heavy handed effort by “loss control” - similar to those taken by other PPH books with a similar high bonus / low limits focus when they found people they deemed as “syndicate” members. These guys may be a little slow - but they are not so stupid as to kill their golden goose. If your a player who generates a profit - they want to keep you. To me it feels more like “warning shots” at potential players using services seeking out arbitrage plays.

I never understood why some people mess with these to start with - how much are you really winning playing $250 max limits for a 8 cent overlay on a Challenger tennis match anyway ? Even if you do it 10 times a day - eventually someone’s going to catch on and boot you and then where are you at? Betting big on small leagues/sports is a sure way to bring attention to yourself.

I thought they were always SBG controlled - but you would likely know more than I do.

 

[baus]

@baus was BetNow always owned by SBG or just recently?

They’ve always been under the same ownership as long as I can remember. Even going back to when BetRoyal was part of this group.

I believe that years ago SBG was marketed more towards non US and BetNow was marketed towards Americans. That’s the reason for two separate shops. Otherwise their lines and platform etc were all identical.

BAUS

 

[BigJay]

@baus was BetNow always owned by SBG or just recently?

It was you SBG… it was always you

 

[acltear]

Again - it’s pretty easy / if BetNow can show evidence of a syndicate play being released and OPs bets being made within 60 seconds of it 11 times in a day - that’s beyond coincidence. They have the opportunity to share their evidence and put the matter to rest. I don’t know who is being dishonest here - just have seen the story enough to know not to trust posters blindly.

Yah, have to agree with this. If the poster is exploiting an edge, chances are that he isn't the only one. Even if he is not part of a group, it might look like he is part of a group. Unfortunately, Betnow can't reasonable share their evidence; it might seem like they should but they shouldn't. Because any evidence they share gives us more information about how to circumvent the systems they have in place.

I can only say that I have had good experiences with BetNow, though only recently started playing there again, so maybe they won't be as willing to pay out a winning account as they used to be.

I would say that if you are exploiting an information edge, such as past posting live bets, you need to accept that you're going to lose funds and just bake it into your expected expenses as a cost of doing business. Is that fair? Probably not, but neither is past posting a sportsbook's lines that they mainly offer as a courtesy (live betting is not a big moneymaker for them after accounting for all the costs to maintain it). Easy come, easy go.

 

[ferrisdamen]

Yah, have to agree with this. If the poster is exploiting an edge, chances are that he isn't the only one. Even if he is not part of a group, it might look like he is part of a group. Unfortunately, Betnow can't reasonable share their evidence; it might seem like they should but they shouldn't. Because any evidence they share gives us more information about how to circumvent the systems they have in place.

I can only say that I have had good experiences with BetNow, though only recently started playing there again, so maybe they won't be as willing to pay out a winning account as they used to be.

I would say that if you are exploiting an information edge, such as past posting live bets, you need to accept that you're going to lose funds and just bake it into your expected expenses as a cost of doing business. Is that fair? Probably not, but neither is past posting a sportsbook's lines that they mainly offer as a courtesy (live betting is not a big moneymaker for them after accounting for all the costs to maintain it). Easy come, easy go.

@acltear — I need to correct a couple of things here.

I wasn’t past posting. I wasn’t live betting. And I wasn’t tailing some syndicate play drop. My wagers were straight pre-game sides/totals at the numbers BetNow themselves offered on their own platform. They accepted the bets, graded them as winners, and only after I built a balance did they retroactively void months of wagers under vague “line move” and “fraud” accusations, without ever providing a line-item accounting.

That’s not risk management — that’s theft.

You’re free to believe you’ve had a “good experience” so far, but the past week has shown a clear pattern: multiple players with legitimate balances have had them confiscated on shifting rationales. If you continue to play there and happen to win, you should expect the same outcome.

Sportsbooks that can’t pay winners are not sportsbooks. They’re casinos in reverse — guaranteed to take your money, guaranteed not to pay when you win. Players need to stop normalizing this behavior and call it what it is.

 

[acltear]

@acltear — I need to correct a couple of things here.

I wasn’t past posting. I wasn’t live betting. And I wasn’t tailing some syndicate play drop. My wagers were straight pre-game sides/totals at the numbers BetNow themselves offered on their own platform. They accepted the bets, graded them as winners, and only after I built a balance did they retroactively void months of wagers under vague “line move” and “fraud” accusations, without ever providing a line-item accounting.

I would agree that your experience is different now that I have seen your original thread. Was mainly talking about the live betting guy. Let me ask you though; where are you getting your plays? Are you filling orders for a group? Or sourcing them from some kind of betting service like Right Angle Sports or Tailgate Tent? Or are they entirely your own plays? Because that is going to make a difference when it comes to your treatment.

I'm not saying that Betnow is in the right for any of this by the way. I don't see why they are so tight-fisted about $5K here, $5K there. But I think people should be aware of their reasoning in order to inform their decision making in the future.

 

[djefferis]

Again - I keep seeing “they can’t pay so they are stealing players money”

Just as I stated the book should have to post evidence of the alleged syndicate plays (and demonstrate a pattern - playing a single game that an odds advantage tout posted 5 minutes after the play was submitted is not proof of anything) - same rules of evidence apply to posters.

If you’re stating a book is broke - show how you know this. Did the book say they are broke - have they rejected payouts from multiple players or are they slow paying anyone ?

Fact is they are continuing to operate and pay those NOT accused of unfair play. They have players with balances well above those confiscated who are being paid more than the amounts taken. Give a solid reason why they would pay others if they were broke - because I can’t think of one.

FWIW - I just deposited 2k with them yesterday for 125% bonus. Lost my initial deposit unfortunately- but put 1300 or so into 5 team parlays split into 2 and 3 team round robins and have another 600 in FP still available. Lost 600 on a single play last night. The 2 and 3 teamer’s had 2 legs win already with 4 different games to go (Florida State -7, Georgia, Notre Dame and Phil Eagles ML) - to pay is around 2600 or so if all legs remaining hit.

We shall see - obviously all legs other than FSU are decent sized faves. Rollover is about 48k remaining. If it looks like I have a semi decent chance of making the RO and cashing - I’ll be posting here with an update as I’ll do something for BMR posters in the form of a cash prize(s).

It’s too bad books no longer do player to player or book to book transfers like the old days. I remember clearly when places like Bookmaker/5D/Greek used to offer up to a 50k book to book transfer. That was great option when having a forum contest.

And for those who say I’ve not no chance of making a 50k roll/well - I’ve done it before in relatively short periods of time. Not my favorite thing having to make so many big bets - but it’s absolutely doable.

 

[ferrisdamen]

Again - I keep seeing “they can’t pay so they are stealing players money”

Just as I stated the book should have to post evidence of the alleged syndicate plays (and demonstrate a pattern - playing a single game that an odds advantage tout posted 5 minutes after the play was submitted is not proof of anything) - same rules of evidence apply to posters.

If you’re stating a book is broke - show how you know this. Did the book say they are broke - have they rejected payouts from multiple players or are they slow paying anyone ?

Fact is they are continuing to operate and pay those NOT accused of unfair play. They have players with balances well above those confiscated who are being paid more than the amounts taken. Give a solid reason why they would pay others if they were broke - because I can’t think of one.

FWIW - I just deposited 2k with them yesterday for 125% bonus. Lost my initial deposit unfortunately- but put 1300 or so into 5 team parlays split into 2 and 3 team round robins and have another 600 in FP still available. Lost 600 on a single play last night. The 2 and 3 teamer’s had 2 legs win already with 4 different games to go (Florida State -7, Georgia, Notre Dame and Phil Eagles ML) - to pay is around 2600 or so if all legs remaining hit.

We shall see - obviously all legs other than FSU are decent sized faves. Rollover is about 48k remaining. If it looks like I have a semi decent chance of making the RO and cashing - I’ll be posting here with an update as I’ll do something for BMR posters in the form of a cash prize(s).

It’s too bad books no longer do player to player or book to book transfers like the old days. I remember clearly when places like Bookmaker/5D/Greek used to offer up to a 50k book to book transfer. That was great option when having a forum contest.

And for those who say I’ve not no chance of making a 50k roll/well - I’ve done it before in relatively short periods of time. Not my favorite thing having to make so many big bets - but it’s absolutely doable.

You will never see that money ever again, please prove me wrong

 

[pete0]

Again - I keep seeing “they can’t pay so they are stealing players money”

Just as I stated the book should have to post evidence of the alleged syndicate plays (and demonstrate a pattern - playing a single game that an odds advantage tout posted 5 minutes after the play was submitted is not proof of anything) - same rules of evidence apply to posters.

If you’re stating a book is broke - show how you know this. Did the book say they are broke - have they rejected payouts from multiple players or are they slow paying anyone ?

Fact is they are continuing to operate and pay those NOT accused of unfair play. They have players with balances well above those confiscated who are being paid more than the amounts taken. Give a solid reason why they would pay others if they were broke - because I can’t think of one.

FWIW - I just deposited 2k with them yesterday for 125% bonus. Lost my initial deposit unfortunately- but put 1300 or so into 5 team parlays split into 2 and 3 team round robins and have another 600 in FP still available. Lost 600 on a single play last night. The 2 and 3 teamer’s had 2 legs win already with 4 different games to go (Florida State -7, Georgia, Notre Dame and Phil Eagles ML) - to pay is around 2600 or so if all legs remaining hit.

We shall see - obviously all legs other than FSU are decent sized faves. Rollover is about 48k remaining. If it looks like I have a semi decent chance of making the RO and cashing - I’ll be posting here with an update as I’ll do something for BMR posters in the form of a cash prize(s).

It’s too bad books no longer do player to player or book to book transfers like the old days. I remember clearly when places like Bookmaker/5D/Greek used to offer up to a 50k book to book transfer. That was great option when having a forum contest.

And for those who say I’ve not no chance of making a 50k roll/well - I’ve done it before in relatively short periods of time. Not my favorite thing having to make so many big bets - but it’s absolutely doable.

will be paying attention jefferis

would like to know ur plays for Friday ...... &
request permission to DM, just so it wont be out-the-blue weird.

 

[tc49821]

Ok - just for my own curiosity here:

- Do you acknowledge accepting plays from a group and betting them at BetNow - if not - how would you explain the serendipity of this group sharing these plays and you betting them in roughly the same short period of time
- You state you played there for years profitably and took several payouts - most recently what types of wagers (sports/casino/horses) did you make before beginning with live wagers - what was your record for say the last 7 days?

You can try OSGA - BMR accepts complaints but honestly I wouldn’t expect a resolution here. OSGA is the “best” chance you have - but I’d say the money is lost. SBG/BetNow has a long history of dealing harshly with players they deem as “shot takers” and have little patience for them.

With a recent management change and the start of football - it’s clear that BetNow wants to get the message out there to those who would try and exploit their outdated software.

I am of course not saying I support their tactic here - just looking for some more details. As I said the serendipity of someone randomly playing the same plays as a betting syndicate - but no other plays and every live bet being a winner is of course a huge red flag. If you have been around offshore and played for years - you should know it’s still very much the Wild West and these books are free to do as they wish with no consequences and no authority controlling them. The days of forums having any pull in resolving conflicts ended around 2012.

I would say froums have lesss

Well there is always two sides to every story. And then there is the truth

Sometimes one side is completely honest and the other is full of it. Sure many times the truth is somewhere in the middle.

 

[jamesy2422]

i wonder why betnow changed. i thought they had a good thing going.