Philadelphia Shooting now??

[vitterd]

Easy access?

Go try to buy a gun and get back to me

You just lost the argument bud....buying a gun, of any size, takes lots of papers & several days.

Go try it- record it for the forum if you would. I encourage you to do this as a form of education for yourself.

Otherwise I'd say you're pretty much finished w this argument.

Lmao. Perhaps you haven’t seen how the last 2 shooters got their guns in Texas and Tulsa.

 

[MinnesotaFats]

We aren’t a great country anymore. We are last in almost everything. Republicans like Bush and a trump have really hurt our standing in the world. Just look where we rank in everything that matters.

World rankings? Of what?

What resources, products, currency or trade do we actually NEED from the world?

Why would the leader of the US, despite his party affiliation, give 2 shits what anyone or any Country below them militarily or economically, thought?

Seriously, if you're a leader you lead...you don't look back and you don't govern by opinion polls

That's why Bush took out Saddam ...Noone else would

It's why Trump took on Xi, Noone else would

 

[MinnesotaFats]

Lmao. Perhaps you haven’t seen how the last 2 shooters got their guns in Texas and Tulsa.

No, please tell me how the 18 yr old Ulvalde shooter got his hands on $10k worth of weapons

Dude....go buy a gun. Just do it- it'll cost ya $600 for a small piece.

Record & document the process and the timeline and the Federal agents involved.

Do it, seriously, for the forum.

 

[vitterd]

No, please tell me how the 18 yr old Ulvalde shooter got his hands on $10k worth of weapons

Dude....go buy a gun. Just do it- it'll cost ya $600 for a small piece.

Record & document the process and the timeline and the Federal agents involved.

Do it, seriously, for the forum.

I have no use for a gun. You mean you haven’t seen how easy it was for the Texas and Tulsa shooters to buy their guns?

 

[MinnesotaFats]

I have no use for a gun. You mean you haven’t seen how easy it was for the Texas and Tulsa shooters to buy their guns?

My understanding is that the Buffalo kid, even thou he was in a mental health institution, legally purchased his weapon and the HIPPA laws failed to trigger NY red flag rules for fire arm purchases. He also wasn't from Buffalo, he drove there specifically to kill blacks.

My understanding is that Ramos (Uvalde) legally purchased his weapons shortly after his 18th birthday along with his tactical gear. How a kid working at Wendy's got his hands on $11k to purchase all this stuff is beyond me.

Now, both legally passed the State & Federal criteria for a purchase, and the waiting period as well.

What would you change or how would different laws have prevented the shootings? Longer wait period? More "red flag" laws? Raise the age to purchase?

See, none of the above ideas touch the real issue, the issue has nothing to do with legally obtaining a weapon. The shooters had pre determined they were going to act out in a specific manner to generate victims. If it wasn't a legal gun, it'd be an illegal gun, or a bomb, or a fire, or a stabbing, or a drive into the building, or a rape/ beating, etc

These incidents are mental health in their fundamental cause....and if you want to attach a mental health law to a gun purchase, I'm all for it. Unfortunately, 20 States already have red flag laws, and they are same States represented by Chicago, Buffalo & Parkland, etc

Laws don't change ILLEGAL behavior, only ORDER (jail time) reduces illegal acts.