Philadelphia Shooting now??

[MinnesotaFats]

We got some weird old dudes creeping in here. Minny fats is like a guy from the 40’s

MinnyFats is a guy IN his 40s.

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But with a PolySci degree, this stuff is gold- debate wise- because the smoke & mirror game being played by the left is merely a power grab, with no policy or reform that will fix the violence.

What happened in Philly yesterday happens TWICE A DAY in Chicago, and they have the strictest State/ City mandated firearm rules in the Country.

The laws don't work if only moral people live by them & if only moral people enforce them.

As mentioned earlier, if the Government (and its 1 party government in these cities) is no longer going to partake in upholding law & order, then I'd say the government is immoral... and a government of immoral direction will lead a community of immoral citizens, who will act in immoral ways towards their breathers...

Liberals & Liberalism is, simply put, immoral and misguided

 

[Archie]

what makes chicago laws so strict?

 

[vitterd]

MinnyFats is a guy IN his 40s.

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But with a PolySci degree, this stuff is gold- debate wise- because the smoke & mirror game being played by the left is merely a power grab, with no policy or reform that will fix the violence.

What happened in Philly yesterday happens TWICE A DAY in Chicago, and they have the strictest State/ City mandated firearm rules in the Country.

The laws don't work if only moral people live by them & if only moral people enforce them.

As mentioned earlier, if the Government (and its 1 party government in these cities) is no longer going to partake in upholding law & order, then I'd say the government is immoral... and a government of immoral direction will lead a community of immoral citizens, who will act in immoral ways towards their breathers...

Liberals & Liberalism is, simply put, immoral and misguided

Completely misguided. You’ve got all the right wing talking points but none of them are based in reality. The gun culture we live in has nothing to do with liberals. It’s mind boggling how the right has tried this crazy narrative but their cult will buy any shit fed to them.

 

[Capitalist Pig]

Guns are not going anywhere, there are almost 400 million that are known of in the US, with most guns having a average 100 year life span, even if congress passed a law tomorrow banning all gun new sales, it would have a very minimum impact on gun crime, if any for the next 100 years

Then the issue of the 400 million already out there, does anyone really think that the government could actually confiscate them, there is no way, at best maybe a small % of people would turn in their guns to the government, and not one criminal would do that, the majority would just keep their mouths shut and the government would have no idea who has what, there is no federal gun registration list out there, that’s just a fairytail.

Doesn't anyone find it strange that the cities with the strictest gun laws have the most gun crime, Chicago, Philadelphia, NYC, DC, etc., you got to go back to locking up every single person who commits a gun crime for life, then you will start to see a decrease in gun crime, basically these big liberal cities have to start locking up young black criminals again and quit saying it’s racist, it’s not racist if it’s applied to people of all colors, and it’s not racist that young black men commit most gun crimes against other young black men, that’s just a fact

The scotus is about to rule before the end of June that NY gun laws are unconstitutional and the left will melt down when people in NYC can legally own and carry guns to protect themselves.

 

[edawg]

Completely misguided. You’ve got all the right wing talking points but none of them are based in reality. The gun culture we live in has nothing to do with liberals. It’s mind boggling how the right has tried this crazy narrative but their cult will buy any shit fed to them.

That is left wing talking points their are people with a 100 guns that will never commit a crime in their lifetime. It is a culture and sin problem that has nothing to do with guns. If you say that guns can make that sin and culture problem more efficient in causing damage then I agree.

 

[Capitalist Pig]

That is left wing talking points their are people with a 100 guns that will never commit a crime in their lifetime. It is a culture and sin problem that has nothing to do with guns. If you say that guns can make that sin and culture problem more efficient in causing damage then I agree.

Point in case, here in Florida people with concealed weapons licenses commit less crimes of any type than FL police officers do in a given year, and there are over two million people with concealed weapons licenses in FL.

 

[vitterd]

It defies logic to believe that guns are not a huge part of the problem. The gun violence only happens here. And no minny….it’s not because we have more black people.

 

[Archie]

you guys will never get anywhere with simple correlations/causation discussions like this that rely upon if A then B equations.

y'all just go round and round and round

 

[vitterd]

you guys will never get anywhere with simple correlations/causation discussions like this that rely upon if A then B equations.

y'all just go round and round and round

It’s silly to discuss because it’s simple. You have more fatty foods, you get more fat people. You have lots of sugary drinks, you get high blood sugar, you have more guns, you have more shootings. This is a difficult concept.

 

[pokerintherear]

blame the parents all these mass shootings discipline the punk kids

 

[MinnesotaFats]

It’s silly to discuss because it’s simple. You have more fatty foods, you get more fat people. You have lots of sugary drinks, you get high blood sugar, you have more guns, you have more shootings. This is a difficult concept.

Hold on here

Are you really saying it's the food that causes obesity and not the person choosing the food?

I mean, honestly, upon your logic the Government should ban fast food...

Or how about certain sports cars that are "dangerous" and "who's right to own isn't absolute, afterall, Henry Ford nicer envisioned 7000 rpm"

Isn't a great car the equivalent of a AR15? We don't need super fast cars, or cheap fast food or exquisite guns or certain literature or other luxurious items that responsible people use appropriately daily..

Under a Vitty type socialist economic & cultural existence the Government will TELL YOU what you can and cannot have.

Hmmm- sounds a lot like 1774-1784; 1855-1865, etc

Vitty, your logic defies all reality. We are a nation of free individuals. A gun is a stationary object only as dangerous as the hands it is in.

If we're not going to lock up criminals, then by definition, they're going to commit crimes. If we're not going to address the black male epidemic in this country, then the past 50 years of our great society experiment will have taught us nothing, and if we're not going to allow men to be men, especially in urban areas, boys to be boys, especiallyin urban areas, then the grotesque wave of liberalism is simply going to turn those cities further into piles of shit, that (and at some point were going to all have to agree the Democrats really cannot govern, because the facts & reality is piling up daily) are going to be beyond the point of return or saving.

It is liberalism that is causing these issues, it's woke BS. You don't go from 1% trans in 1950 to now 10% identify as trans in 2022 lol its fukking comical the brainwashing and feminization of culture and its sickening some still cheer this shit on.

 

[vitterd]

You’re not grasping it. It’s the access to these things. Too much of anything is bad. Guns included. Your entire world view is warped because you’re caught up in liberal and black. When we know these mass shooters are predominantly white. It’s not about banning anything, it’s about keeping things under control. Clearly we live in a country that is not capable of responsible gun owning.

 

[MinnesotaFats]

You’re not grasping it. It’s the access to these things. Too much of anything is bad. Guns included. Your entire world view is warped because you’re caught up in liberal and black. When we know these mass shooters are predominantly white. It’s not about banning anything, it’s about keeping things under control. Clearly we live in a country that is not capable of responsible gun owning.

I'd say 99% of all gun owners are very much the definition of responsible.

You're not understanding that laws are just ideas on paper, and only law abiding people adhere to them. Criminals will always have weapons, just like addicts always have drugs, whores always hook on the corners and gamblers always bet.

If you're not going to use the LAW to maintain the ORDER then all the restrictions in the world wont matter.

The liberalism of the judicial branch & of the policies in these cities is the issue.

Listen...if you're going to still tell us all that Joe Biden is Great, Gas prices aren't his fault, his administration is the best & brightest and not the blackest, then so be it, we'll just agree to disagree.

But the one piece of logic you can't spin is that more blacks kill and are killed MONTHLY in Chicago, where gun laws are the tightest, and the media NEVER reports it.

It's a 100% democrat run city, with THESE rules, and it's the murder capitol of America

 

[vitterd]

You can’t change the fact that this doesn’t happen in any other country. They had a school shooting in another country, cracked down on guns, haven’t had one since.

 

[MinnesotaFats]

You can’t change the fact that this doesn’t happen in any other country. They had a school shooting in another country, cracked down on guns, haven’t had one since.

We are not 'any other Country'

We are a Nation of Sovereign INDIVIDUALS who live in Sovereign States that formed a Union.

We formed that Union with Articles of Confederation...followed by Federalist Papers and subsequently a Constitution.

That Constitution lays out the parameters for 3 bodies of government and then EXPLICITLY LIMITS THE POWER OF THE GOVERNMENT.

There were at first 17 ammendments debated and those were whittled down to 10 ABSOLUTE rights of the individuals and anything NOT in the CONSTITUTION was EXPRESSLY RESERVED TO THE STATES.

Dude you are a real dead beat when it comes to understanding why USA is not England or Sweden or Australia or China.

We have the only GOVERNMENT in the world where rights are God given and not bequeathed by the Government.

Once you learn this and accept it, you'll understand why your positions are so obsolete and Euro trash in concept.

And yes, the black culture in America is a very large issue here....the Democrats have, since 1965, been working on their Great Society to prop up black families, education, close the wealth gap, etc.

In your opinion is the Democrat Party doing well? Because I'm suggesting their policies have set the AA community back 3 generations and its basically a completely lost cause at this point. How had the liberal reform acts of incarcerated individuals worked? The decriminalization of drugs or the perverted advertising & advancement of sexuality issues w our youth gone?

All these factors are the mental health issues that have made the US, since the 60s, have so much weirdo fukked up BS hate/ drug fueled crime. And EVERYONE w a brain knows this because they all moved away from the cities!

They reestablished conservative safe zones in the SW & SE USA, which now is being overrun by illegals, which again begs the question, why do you think Government can solve a gun crime problem when the fukking President himself doesn't even care to secure the borders? You can't be naive enough to believe there isn't guns being smuggled in thru mules....

Vitty...look pal, you see things as a simpleton/ globalist. The USA is UNIQUE in its construction and its protection of individuals.

You don't want to see kids shot in school, stop making it a gun free zone. Criminals ALWAYS take the low hanging fruit.

Wherever there's a metal detectors there's thousands of unarmed victims in a "fish in the barrel" situation.

 

[vitterd]

You’re very word but I’ve heard all of it before. It’s the old conservative view of things. Have you ever been to other countries? Some are very similar to our but they have common sense gun laws that stop the nonstop violence and shootings. You have to study the issue more. Just repeating Ted cruz and guys like that is very robotic.

Mental health issues aren’t just in United States. Every rational thinking person understands that guns and easy access to them is the biggest problem with these mass shootings.

 

[MinnesotaFats]

It occurred to me- the irony

This happens in Philadelphia.

Independence Hall

Where these very ideas were debated, where our forefathers created the documents that kept the Coubtry in tact for 90 years, until Blacks & a tyrannical Federal Government ripped it apart, but then again were restored, modified w a few equality measures, but whereas for nearly 100 years thereafter, up until the late 60s, we had relative domestic peace & tranquility and harmonious Government w fairness to all.

Only since Obama have we had just blatant political pandering, vote buying & political wealth redistribution. Since Obama the entirety of the Leftiest agenda is predicated upon taking either property or rights away from one group and granting rights and property to the other.

There isn't any Government of all coming from the Democrats the last 15 years...

 

[MinnesotaFats]

You’re very word but I’ve heard all of it before. It’s the old conservative view of things. Have you ever been to other countries? Some are very similar to our but they have common sense gun laws that stop the nonstop violence and shootings. You have to study the issue more. Just repeating Ted cruz and guys like that is very robotic.

Mental health issues aren’t just in United States. Every rational thinking person understands that guns and easy access to them is the biggest problem with these mass shootings.

Ya dude, I've lived in France, Spain and Costa Rica, and I've studied in Italy, Netherlands and Finland.

You don't understand the underlying foundation of the USA and how it differs from a constitutional monarchy, a Parlimentary Government or an absolutist Government because you don't accept Sovereignty.

These aren't talking points, these are the foundation of our Country, Government, Judiciary and economic prosperity (think private property rights in the US versus other nations)

And here's the kicker...what makes the US the best and uncobquerable hence not subject to the legal or political ooinions of other nations????

Our guns are bigger

 

[vitterd]

We aren’t a great country anymore. We are last in almost everything. Republicans like Bush and a trump have really hurt our standing in the world. Just look where we rank in everything that matters.

 

[MinnesotaFats]

You’re very word but I’ve heard all of it before. It’s the old conservative view of things. Have you ever been to other countries? Some are very similar to our but they have common sense gun laws that stop the nonstop violence and shootings. You have to study the issue more. Just repeating Ted cruz and guys like that is very robotic.

Mental health issues aren’t just in United States. Every rational thinking person understands that guns and easy access to them is the biggest problem with these mass shootings.

Easy access?

Go try to buy a gun and get back to me

You just lost the argument bud....buying a gun, of any size, takes lots of papers & several days.

Go try it- record it for the forum if you would. I encourage you to do this as a form of education for yourself.

Otherwise I'd say you're pretty much finished w this argument.