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quantumleap

quantumleap

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Just find me a PSA 10 1979 Ozzie Smith RC.

Not sure there’s a tougher damn card to find (modern, non chase card) than that one. I’ve literally held hundreds of Nolan Ryan rookies, a few ‘52 Mantles (in beat up shape - long ago) and probably any other modern day valuable card you can think of from the 70s-early 90s / but never seen one I’d call close to perfectly centered. They are that damn hard to find for some reason (if I recall correctly - they were on the corner of the printing sheet).

I’ve got a couple of very nice 1984 Dan Marino’s (another tough one to find perfect) I should have graded - but the Ozzie Smith card is just impossible to find perfect.
I'm assuming Topps.

Looks like there are 5 PSA 10s out there somewhere:

 

teacher10

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Can I know the details of the meeting? I'd like to send you guys a birthday cake surprise

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djefferis

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I'm assuming Topps.

Looks like there are 5 PSA 10s out there somewhere:


Yes - that’s all there would be out there as the monopoly wasn’t broken until ‘81.

It’s just weird - only 5 rated 10s.

Compare that to say an ‘86-87 Jordan and the population of 10s.

Obviously a “common” Jordan is worth way more than an Ozzie Smith rookie - and production number wise - should be about equal (with demand being much higher for a Jordan obviously). But with just so few of them out there - that damn card commands nearly as much when comparing 10s.

And it’s not like some worthless card no one bothered to send to have graded that explains the low population either. It’s just that damn hard to find mint.

‘71 Topps and those black borders are another impossible to find “mint” - but even those aren’t as hard to find in my opinion. I had a beautiful ‘71 Nolan Ryan and my friend/mentor in both cards and gambling needed a ‘71 for his collection of Ryan cards. One day he called me up and said he’d be stopping in to say goodbye and had something for me - so I had it waiting for him. We made our last “deal” that day - and he got the card he needed to complete his run of Nolan Ryan’s. Got the word a day later he had passed. Way too damn young. Funny thing is here I am 8 years younger than him and feels like I’m going down the same road health wise / guess sometimes we never learn.
 

flyingillini

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Exactly why I’m not into graded stuff. When I started reading how “not all 10s are the same” - I knew it was a joke. Just do it like coins with a 70 point scale. Only reason I would ever send anything to be graded is planning to sell.

All I have these days are some leftovers from decades ago when I was big in the hobby - mainly stuff that’s just more sentimental value than anything. Still some of it has some value to it - and if I happen to be scrolling through the local auction house listings and see something from the 50-70s going cheap - I’ll make a bid.

There are a few that are on my buy list these days / but not many. The new stuff holds zero interest for me. Maybe one day I’ll start assembling a set from the 50s or something / at least a team set.
Agreed but in reality the grades do sell and demand the higher price. I know a guy that had an E98 Wagner that SGC graded it a 76, he swore they didn't do the card justice. He broke it out of the slab and resent it in under his friends account who does a bigger business with SGC and it came back an 82, he still was not satisfied and is in the process of moving from SGC to PSA on his prewar and he submitted the same card to PSA under an account with a guy that does 100s of thousands of dollars of submissions and it came back a PSA 8. Those grades are determining the value and people are shelling out the $, it is a huge business with a lot of fraud and insider shit going on, 100%, Joe Orlando got out of the business , he knows there is shady shady stuff in the grading industry.
 

flyingillini

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Yes - that’s all there would be out there as the monopoly wasn’t broken until ‘81.

It’s just weird - only 5 rated 10s.

Compare that to say an ‘86-87 Jordan and the population of 10s.

Obviously a “common” Jordan is worth way more than an Ozzie Smith rookie - and production number wise - should be about equal (with demand being much higher for a Jordan obviously). But with just so few of them out there - that damn card commands nearly as much when comparing 10s.

And it’s not like some worthless card no one bothered to send to have graded that explains the low population either. It’s just that damn hard to find mint.

‘71 Topps and those black borders are another impossible to find “mint” - but even those aren’t as hard to find in my opinion. I had a beautiful ‘71 Nolan Ryan and my friend/mentor in both cards and gambling needed a ‘71 for his collection of Ryan cards. One day he called me up and said he’d be stopping in to say goodbye and had something for me - so I had it waiting for him. We made our last “deal” that day - and he got the card he needed to complete his run of Nolan Ryan’s. Got the word a day later he had passed. Way too damn young. Funny thing is here I am 8 years younger than him and feels like I’m going down the same road health wise / guess sometimes we never learn.
75 topps Yount, Brett are extremely hard to get in PSA 10 those colorful borders are a killer I am not really into new cards, My cut off is early 50s but I am aware of the industry and scandalous practices by SGC and PSA.
 

quantumleap

quantumleap

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Yes - that’s all there would be out there as the monopoly wasn’t broken until ‘81.

It’s just weird - only 5 rated 10s.

Compare that to say an ‘86-87 Jordan and the population of 10s.

Obviously a “common” Jordan is worth way more than an Ozzie Smith rookie - and production number wise - should be about equal (with demand being much higher for a Jordan obviously). But with just so few of them out there - that damn card commands nearly as much when comparing 10s.

And it’s not like some worthless card no one bothered to send to have graded that explains the low population either. It’s just that damn hard to find mint.

‘71 Topps and those black borders are another impossible to find “mint” - but even those aren’t as hard to find in my opinion. I had a beautiful ‘71 Nolan Ryan and my friend/mentor in both cards and gambling needed a ‘71 for his collection of Ryan cards. One day he called me up and said he’d be stopping in to say goodbye and had something for me - so I had it waiting for him. We made our last “deal” that day - and he got the card he needed to complete his run of Nolan Ryan’s. Got the word a day later he had passed. Way too damn young. Funny thing is here I am 8 years younger than him and feels like I’m going down the same road health wise / guess sometimes we never learn.
I have a subscription to Market Movers on sportscardinvestor. The last time one was sold was back in 2023 and it sold for $156k. Before that in 2021, one sold for $222k.

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