God Bless the ILA

[Tanko]

My last 6 across the board raises were 3.5%,3%, 2.5%, 4%, 2.5% and 2.5%.
18% over 6 years. We fell a little short. Over those 6 years looks like!!

I moved up 3 times, in those 6 years.
The higher job titles came with around 8% to 12% raises, but they were because of advancement. When I left the company in 2016 I was in line for another move up, as soon as I was trained on that job. I was set for another almost 12%.
I was working in the paper industry, and they did a review of our pay compared to others across the country. At our mill the people on bottom made less than the national average, but our top operators were among the top 5%.

You were moving up the food chain partner. Nice job.

We (chemical industry) did the same. Always used market comparisons to set pay scales/raises. Our market was Gulf Coast of Texas (Houston to Brownsville). The problems with this process are:

1) You're always a year behind because the market data is 1 year old when you look at it.

2) Our operators were always worried HR was colluding with other company HR's to set the market rate for pay. There's supposed to be a 3rd pary involved (consultants) making sure it doesn't happen but guess who the consultants are paid by.....

No way would our operators go on strike over 70% raises. They were smarter than that. I think the longshoreman were upset the companies weren't sharing their massive profits, which makes sense. Our company always paid out "special bonuses" if the company made bank in a given year to appease the work group and avoid this issues.

 

[Tanko]

You can join. Just gotta finish high school. And wipe your permanent record.

Ouch....

 

[KingKolzig]

I wasnt allowed to work by the deep state. Jesus said "I created man for labor" but just a target body instead

 

[phillyflyers]

I wasnt allowed to work by the deep state. Jesus said "I created man for labor" but just a target body instead

The deep state?

 

[MinnesotaFats]

That ended quickly. Soon as the leader & his swindling millions, annually, got exposed.

60% over 6 years & all the automation to replace every last one of them.

Wonder how big the kick back was to boss man. That pension is fukked #s wise, I'd love to see the internal actuarial.

 

[MinnesotaFats]

You are full of sh!t! You cannot take away the right for collective bargaining. I bet you have never done an honest day's work in your life. Would like for someone that has not done any labor in their life to work 16-hour days with a shovel in your hands and not using it for a prop.

In 1989 hurricane Hugo hit NC and SC I was a young lineman apprentice, I been on the job for less than a year. We worked 16 to 20 hours a day getting peoples power back on. We worked that way for a month and had no loss of life. If not for unions and their work for the last 125 years, that would not be possible. IBEW was formed in the early 1900's when lineman was taught nothing about safety and were dyeing at an alarming rate. You are probably thinking there was someone waiting in line for that job. To hell with him and his family.

Not uncommon for people that don't do the work and never have, to bitch about people who do. Because they want a safe place to work, for a fair and living wage.

Fair wages and safety are something people like you care nothing about. You probably want to go back to making children work in factories.

The 'right' for collective bargaining is a relatively new 'right'.

Rights the affect national security are nominal at best, and can be revoked. The idea that the majority of unions are even legal (I speak of public unions) is laughable, and the opposite notion, that a business can say no to unionization, is Socialist in nature.

I did the management negotiations for our beer wholesaler with Teamsters 792, Minneapolis beer, brewery, soda. I have worked longer, harder, more diverse and wiser than a great many men & women in my lifetime, and chuckle at those who stoop to demean my accomplishments from their permanent podium at the lower middle class level. Workers in unions are oppressed & held back in terms of real wages & benefits, it's why participation levels continue to drop, smart people go to college, work labor jobs as a means to advance & aspire to be the boss, nobody aspires to hold a picket sign and give points to a 3rd party administration telling them what's right/ wrong with their job.

 

[RRsilver]

You were moving up the food chain partner. Nice job.

We (chemical industry) did the same. Always used market comparisons to set pay scales/raises. Our market was Gulf Coast of Texas (Houston to Brownsville). The problems with this process are:

1) You're always a year behind because the market data is 1 year old when you look at it.

2) Our operators were always worried HR was colluding with other company HR's to set the market rate for pay. There's supposed to be a 3rd pary involved (consultants) making sure it doesn't happen but guess who the consultants are paid by.....

No way would our operators go on strike over 70% raises. They were smarter than that. I think the longshoreman were upset the companies weren't sharing their massive profits, which makes sense. Our company always paid out "special bonuses" if the company made bank in a given year to appease the work group and avoid this issues.

The last job I learned, was in the chemical part of our process (was the most dangerous job in the mill, we always had leaks) it was called chemical conversion. I took raw sulfur and turned it to SO2 and then to H2S. At the end of the process, we converted it back to a, kind of sulfur, then made ''green cooking liquor'' out of it, to cook wood chips in the digester.

Being in the chemical industry, I know you understand how simplified that explanation is. It was a very complected process. I hated that part of my job.

 

[RRsilver]

The 'right' for collective bargaining is a relatively new 'right'.

Rights the affect national security are nominal at best, and can be revoked. The idea that the majority of unions are even legal (I speak of public unions) is laughable, and the opposite notion, that a business can say no to unionization, is Socialist in nature.

I did the management negotiations for our beer wholesaler with Teamsters 792, Minneapolis beer, brewery, soda. I have worked longer, harder, more diverse and wiser than a great many men & women in my lifetime, and chuckle at those who stoop to demean my accomplishments from their permanent podium at the lower middle class level. Workers in unions are oppressed & held back in terms of real wages & benefits, it's why participation levels continue to drop, smart people go to college, work labor jobs as a means to advance & aspire to be the boss, nobody aspires to hold a picket sign and give points to a 3rd party administration telling them what's right/ wrong with their job.

I don't know how old you are, but if 1935 is new to you, you are a lot older than me.

I can agree with some of your opinion. Sure, the government can take your rights, I will not argue that. If you think union workers are oppressed and non-union are not, you have been looking from way up high somewhere. One reason I took the steps I did, to have what I have, is, I saw the people working in stove foundries, the coal mines, the carpet mills, or wherever for 50 years, walk out on their last day with no retirement or any other benefit. Just that small check they had made each Friday.


Few of the people (if any) I graduated high school with, that have a 4 year or higher degree have lifetime earnings more than mine. I'm 55 and I don't have to work anymore. Granted, few (if any) have worked the hours or had the dedication, that I had while I was preparing my secure future.

In 1935, the National Labor Relations Act clarified the bargaining rights of most other private-sector workers and established collective bargaining as the “policy of the United States.” The right to collective bargaining also is recognized by international human rights conventions.

Working people in the U.S. formed, joined, or participated in unions well before the Supreme Court’s ruling in NLRB vs. Jones and Laughlin Steel Company declared the National Labor Relations Act of 1935 constitutional.

Public
At the federal level, a 1962 executive order by President John Kennedy established collective bargaining for federal government employees. The executive order was later transformed into federal law during the presidency of Jimmy Carter in 1978. It allows collective bargaining over working conditions and disciplinary procedures, but it prohibits bargaining over economic issues such as salaries and benefits.

In the federal sector and in most states that allow collective bargaining, strikes are prohibited. Legislation creates various procedures for mediation, conciliation, fact-finding, recommendations etc. If they still fail to yield an agreement at the bargaining table, mandatory arbitration sets terms and conditions of employment.

''I have worked longer, harder, more diverse and wiser than a great many men & women n my lifetime, and chuckle at those who stoop to demean my accomplishments''

I bet you chuckle.

Well Ill tell you what, I demean nobody If most of that work you did was inside with heat and A/C pushing a pen. You would have had a long day trying to do the work I did for 35 years. Its great that people make a good living that way but putting a working person down that actually does the work (physical work) so people can have those kinds of jobs. They low down and sorry.
My kids will make a living, where they don't have to work physically hard, or work in the elements, and I better never catch them talking sh!t about someone that don't have it as well as them.
People have a right to try and better themselves and if holding them back makes you feel better about yourself, you have that right. It's one of the many things, I love about my country. If I don't like it, that's my right.