God Bless the ILA

[phillyflyers]

They are asking for a 77% raise.

They turned down a 50% raise.

 

[Tanko]

Hate to see it but, this won't go on long.

Guaranteed Biden will use Taft-Hartley Act to shut it down after 2-3 weeks (if it goes that long) to avoid damaging the economy. Dems and Repubs will be demanding he implement the Act.

 

[Tanko]

They are asking for a 77% raise.

They turned down a 50% raise.

Philly, would you turn down a 50% raise over 6 years?
I can't think of anyone who is sane who wouldn't take that offer. The union is getting ripped on social media by other union workers for turning it down.

Avg inflation over the last 40 years = 2.8% ---> 2.8 x 6 years = 16.8% estimated for next 6 years.
That level of raise would be more than triple estimated inflation rate.


The ISL needs to negotiate the automation part more reasonably. An all or nothing approach isn't smart.

 

[RRsilver]

People need to work for a market wage that a worker & employer agree upon.

3rd party influence, such as government interference or union representatives, dustort the market, and force the employer to seek a cheaper alternative. It's why we get such great gains like betting kiosks, app based ordering, at mcdonalds, Netflix and driverless Ubers.

The American worker's biggest enemy is the Democrat party, with 20 million illegals pressing labor wages down, it encourages government interference such as 'living wage laws', which only results in less employment & less jobs. (See California).

If you don't want to dig ditches and be broke at 50, then you need to embrace the management side of the argument and get educated, bet on yourself and create something that is desired or considered progressive by the marketplace, or the simple fact is, you'll be replaced.

You are full of sh!t! You cannot take away the right for collective bargaining. I bet you have never done an honest day's work in your life. Would like for someone that has not done any labor in their life to work 16-hour days with a shovel in your hands and not using it for a prop.

In 1989 hurricane Hugo hit NC and SC I was a young lineman apprentice, I been on the job for less than a year. We worked 16 to 20 hours a day getting peoples power back on. We worked that way for a month and had no loss of life. If not for unions and their work for the last 125 years, that would not be possible. IBEW was formed in the early 1900's when lineman was taught nothing about safety and were dyeing at an alarming rate. You are probably thinking there was someone waiting in line for that job. To hell with him and his family.

Not uncommon for people that don't do the work and never have, to bitch about people who do. Because they want a safe place to work, for a fair and living wage.

Fair wages and safety are something people like you care nothing about. You probably want to go back to making children work in factories.

 

[phillyflyers]

Philly, would you turn down a 50% raise over 6 years?
I can't think of anyone who is sane who wouldn't take that offer. The union is getting ripped on social media by other union workers for turning it down.

Avg inflation over the last 40 years = 2.8% ---> 2.8 x 6 years = 16.8% estimated for next 6 years.
That level of raise would be more than triple estimated inflation rate.


The ISL needs to negotiate the automation part more reasonably. An all or nothing approach isn't smart.

I don't need to work, bro. I have my own income stream. Don't need any loans or the banks. Don't need anyone.

But if I was working for someone, it would depend on the situation. How much were they paying me to start? What am I making now? How good are the benefits and will they be affected by this proposal?

So I think the answer to your question is more complicated than you might think.

If it's just a case where they're making $20 an hour and they got offered a 50% raise over 6 years then I would say fukk that if I were them.

 

[RRsilver]

Philly, would you turn down a 50% raise over 6 years?
I can't think of anyone who is sane who wouldn't take that offer. The union is getting ripped on social media by other union workers for turning it down.

Avg inflation over the last 40 years = 2.8% ---> 2.8 x 6 years = 16.8% estimated for next 6 years.
That level of raise would be more than triple estimated inflation rate.


The ISL needs to negotiate the automation part more reasonably. An all or nothing approach isn't smart.

Tanko always wise with common sense. I don't know all the details to their ongoing talks. This may not apply to them, but sometimes when it gets a point like this it's also about the past not just the future.
I know that sometimes when asking for raises like that, maybe they have not had a raise in a few years and think they should get more. Probably not in this case, but it happens.

 

[Tanko]

Tanko always wise with common sense. I don't know all the details to their ongoing talks. This may not apply to them, but sometimes when it gets a point like this it's also about the past not just the future.
I know that sometimes when asking for raises like that, maybe they have not had a raise in a few years and think they should get more. Probably not in this case, but it happens.

I can't find their raises from the last 6 year contract.

I do know that the Stevedoring companies are making huge profits since Covid. I can understand the ISL wanting their share of that.

 

[sharpsquare]

Tanko always wise with common sense. I don't know all the details to their ongoing talks. This may not apply to them, but sometimes when it gets a point like this it's also about the past not just the future.
I know that sometimes when asking for raises like that, maybe they have not had a raise in a few years and think they should get more. Probably not in this case, but it happens.

right. plus this is a negotiation so in every case both sides start on the extreme as we know

and this is less about cash than it is about automation and job security. but once u strike then everything gets folded in. hopefully, common sense wins out and this doesn't last long.

 

[Tanko]

right. plus this is a negotiation so in every case both sides start on the extreme as we know

and this is less about cash than it is about automation and job security. but once u strike then everything gets folded in. hopefully, common sense wins out and this doesn't last long.

You are exactly right. The union should ask for the world to get as much as they can. Power to them. Hopefully, they are willing to come off the "zero" automation stance. They should get some type of guarantees on job security if they give a little on automation.


Bottom line: The automation issue is the key to settling this.

 

[sharpsquare]

You are exactly right. The union should ask for the world to get as much as they can. Power to them. Hopefully, they are willing to come off the "zero" automation stance. They should get some type of guarantees on job security if they give a little on automation.


Bottom line: The automation issue is the key to settling this.

agreed. I think they understand that "zero" automation will never happen the world moves too quickly for that now. So hopefully both sides are willing to bend a little and get this thing done before it gets out of hand.

 

[RRsilver]

right. plus this is a negotiation so in every case both sides start on the extreme as we know

and this is less about cash than it is about automation and job security. but once u strike then everything gets folded in. hopefully, common sense wins out and this doesn't last long.

Absolutely. I don't know much about their jobs, but a few years back saw a 60 mins. story about them.
It was interesting. Those crane operators have a fast pace dangerous job.

 

[sharpsquare]

Absolutely. I don't know much about their jobs, but a few years back saw a 60 mins. story about them.
It was interesting. Those crane operators have a fast pace dangerous job.

exactly. I see so many people calling them greedy and unamerican sadly. but they have every right to fight for their job security. it's a shame that it takes this kind of extreme esp at a time with many states suffering from the hurricane etc. but for me it's the exact opposite the fact they have the rights and ability is completely American

 

[thefix]

Philly, would you turn down a 50% raise over 6 years?
I can't think of anyone who is sane who wouldn't take that offer. The union is getting ripped on social media by other union workers for turning it down.

Avg inflation over the last 40 years = 2.8% ---> 2.8 x 6 years = 16.8% estimated for next 6 years.
That level of raise would be more than triple estimated inflation rate.


The ISL needs to negotiate the automation part more reasonably. An all or nothing approach isn't smart.

IF you think you are in a position to get the 77% you would be stupid to settle for the 50%. Think it's pretty clear the 50% will remain on the table so they have nothing to lose by allowing this to carry on with the hopes of netting an even stronger benefit to themselves long-term. It's not as simple as 50% or nothing, red pill or blue pill.

 

[phillyflyers]

IF you think you are in a position to get the 77% you would be stupid to settle for the 50%. Think it's pretty clear the 50% will remain on the table so they have nothing to lose by allowing this to carry on with the hopes of netting an even stronger benefit to themselves long-term. It's not as simple as 50% or nothing, red pill or blue pill.

Who asks for a 77% raise if they're in no position to?

 

[rdalert447]

Glad to see a swift resolution with both parties satisfied.

 

[Tanko]

Glad to see a swift resolution with both parties satisfied.

Amen to that.... Would have been a nightmare otherwise.

So the current contract is extended to Jan 15th while the rank-and-file vote on the new contract. 62% raise over 6 years. Wow!

I didn't see anything mentioned about the automation issue.

 

[RRsilver]

Amen to that.... Would have been a nightmare otherwise.

So the current contract is extended to Jan 15th while the rank-and-file vote on the new contract. 62% raise over 6 years. Wow!

I didn't see anything mentioned about the automation issue.

Thats part of the ongoing talks.

 

[RRsilver]

My last 6 across the board raises were 3.5%,3%, 2.5%, 4%, 2.5% and 2.5%.
18% over 6 years. We fell a little short. Over those 6 years looks like!!

I moved up 3 times, in those 6 years.
The higher job titles came with around 8% to 12% raises, but they were because of advancement. When I left the company in 2016 I was in line for another move up, as soon as I was trained on that job. I was set for another almost 12%.
I was working in the paper industry, and they did a review of our pay compared to others across the country. At our mill the people on bottom made less than the national average, but our top operators were among the top 5%.

 

[KingKolzig]

Spoiled fuks

Landscapers in 100 degree weather in central florida make $15/hr

 

[rdalert447]

Spoiled fuks

Landscapers in 100 degree weather in central florida make $15/hr

You can join. Just gotta finish high school. And wipe your permanent record.