Cancelled bets at youwager, after 6+ minutes of game time

[FrankDexter]

Line history archive for 01/29/22

TOTALS
Brooklyn Nets / Golden State Warriors
Book: YouWager - 1st Half - All lines
01/29/22 05:33:22pm	511	Brooklyn Nets	+6-10	Golden State Warriors	-6-10
01/29/22 05:05:42pm	511	Brooklyn Nets	+3-10	Golden State Warriors	-3-10
01/29/22 04:20:40pm	511	Brooklyn Nets	+5½-10	Golden State Warriors	-5½-10
01/29/22 08:33:47am	511	Brooklyn Nets	+4½-10	Golden State Warriors	-4½-10
01/29/22 06:46:05am	511	Brooklyn Nets	+4-10	Golden State Warriors	-4-10
01/29/22 04:20:37pm	511	Brooklyn Nets / Golden State Warriors	115½
01/29/22 10:50:55am	511	Brooklyn Nets / Golden State Warriors	117
01/29/22 07:24:19am	511	Brooklyn Nets / Golden State Warriors	117½
01/29/22 07:15:43am	511	Brooklyn Nets / Golden State Warriors	118
01/29/22 06:46:08am	511	Brooklyn Nets / Golden State Warriors	118½

 

[FrankDexter]

Looks like they made a mistake and left it hanging there for almost a half hour.

 

[FrankDexter]

Line history archive for 01/29/22

TOTALS
Brooklyn Nets / Golden State Warriors
Book: YouWager - Game - All lines
01/29/22 05:05:29pm	511	Brooklyn Nets	+10½-10	Golden State Warriors	-10½-10
01/29/22 04:52:10pm	511	Brooklyn Nets	+10-10	Golden State Warriors	-10-10
01/29/22 04:18:06pm	511	Brooklyn Nets	+9½-10	Golden State Warriors	-9½-10
01/29/22 04:06:07pm	511	Brooklyn Nets	+9-10	Golden State Warriors	-9-10
01/29/22 08:00:00am	511	Brooklyn Nets	+8-10	Golden State Warriors	-8-10
01/29/22 07:53:28am	511	Brooklyn Nets	+7½-10	Golden State Warriors	-7½-10
01/29/22 07:10:04am	511	Brooklyn Nets	+7-10	Golden State Warriors	-7-10
01/29/22 06:48:54am	511	Brooklyn Nets	+6½-10	Golden State Warriors	-6½-10
01/29/22 06:24:04am	511	Brooklyn Nets	+7-10	Golden State Warriors	-7-10
01/29/22 06:15:08am	511	Brooklyn Nets	+6½-05	Golden State Warriors	-6½-15
01/29/22 05:44:57am	511	Brooklyn Nets	+6½-10	Golden State Warriors	-6½-10
01/29/22 04:50:58am	511	Brooklyn Nets	+6-10	Golden State Warriors	-6-10
01/29/22 05:23:04pm	511	Brooklyn Nets / Golden State Warriors	226
01/29/22 04:52:17pm	511	Brooklyn Nets / Golden State Warriors	225½
01/29/22 04:20:29pm	511	Brooklyn Nets / Golden State Warriors	226½
01/29/22 04:06:29pm	511	Brooklyn Nets / Golden State Warriors	227
01/29/22 03:29:55pm	511	Brooklyn Nets / Golden State Warriors	228
01/29/22 10:51:37am	511	Brooklyn Nets / Golden State Warriors	227½
01/29/22 10:50:53am	511	Brooklyn Nets / Golden State Warriors	228
01/29/22 10:50:33am	511	Brooklyn Nets / Golden State Warriors	228½
01/29/22 07:16:45am	511	Brooklyn Nets / Golden State Warriors	229
01/29/22 07:15:31am	511	Brooklyn Nets / Golden State Warriors	229½
01/29/22 07:15:21am	511	Brooklyn Nets / Golden State Warriors	230
01/29/22 07:02:39am	511	Brooklyn Nets / Golden State Warriors	231
01/29/22 06:15:18am	511	Brooklyn Nets / Golden State Warriors	230½
01/29/22 06:01:57am	511	Brooklyn Nets / Golden State Warriors	231½
01/29/22 05:59:49am	511	Brooklyn Nets / Golden State Warriors	232
01/29/22 05:51:13am	511	Brooklyn Nets / Golden State Warriors	231½
01/29/22 05:46:00am	511	Brooklyn Nets / Golden State Warriors	232
01/29/22 04:51:01am	511	Brooklyn Nets / Golden State Warriors	231½

 

[FrankDexter]

That's the full game line archive. Looks like 13 seconds after they moved to -10.5, they moved the 1h line to -3 which is for sure some type of glitch error.

 

[hazliam]

It's tough when a "bad line" falls in this grey area. Some bad lines are very obvious. I saw a hockey line at betus recently where they had the favorite and the dog mixed up and the team that should have been -200 was +180. That's an obvious bad line and you can be sure it'll get cancelled if you bet it.
-3 when everyone else has -6 is going to get canceled a lot of the time. Although I have bet lines that were that far off and not had them cancelled.
If you'd placed this bet at one of the top books I don't think it would have got cancelled. Youwager has slowly gotten shadier and shadier over the past couple years. Will you get paid if you win there? Yes, probably. But I don't like the way they do business.

It really depends to. A over 30.5 line might be the same as a over 35.5 lines late in the game with a score of 13 to 17, with the team with 13 points having the football with 3 mins left in the game.

 

[hazliam]

I think this is a difference between offshore and legal books.

Legal books would be force to eat this line. I read somewhere US sportsbook ate as much as a 3 goal difference in soccer on a bad line where the regulator sided with the bettor.

 

[whysguy]

Line history archive for 01/29/22

Book: YouWager - 1st Half - All lines
Brooklyn Nets / Golden State Warriors
TOTALS
01/29/22 05:33:22pm	511	Brooklyn Nets	+6-10	Golden State Warriors	-6-10
01/29/22 05:05:42pm	511	Brooklyn Nets	+3-10	Golden State Warriors	-3-10
01/29/22 04:20:40pm	511	Brooklyn Nets	+5½-10	Golden State Warriors	-5½-10
01/29/22 08:33:47am	511	Brooklyn Nets	+4½-10	Golden State Warriors	-4½-10
01/29/22 06:46:05am	511	Brooklyn Nets	+4-10	Golden State Warriors	-4-10
01/29/22 04:20:37pm	511	Brooklyn Nets / Golden State Warriors	115½
01/29/22 10:50:55am	511	Brooklyn Nets / Golden State Warriors	117
01/29/22 07:24:19am	511	Brooklyn Nets / Golden State Warriors	117½
01/29/22 07:15:43am	511	Brooklyn Nets / Golden State Warriors	118
01/29/22 06:46:08am	511	Brooklyn Nets / Golden State Warriors	118½

This means they took bets on a game 30+ minutes before the game and still didnt cancel them till at least 15 minutes after the game starts. It being a Nationally prime time NBA game also needs to be considered in their action imo. It should be a heavily bet game, and someone should be watching bets they take, is all Im saying.

They can even check when i logged in, I probably logged in less than 5 minutes before I placed the bets, how in the world should I have known it was a bad line and would be voided, very low integrity.

Its not like I saw them go from 5.5 to 3, it was there 20 minutes before I placed it!!!


I still find it unbelievable, that they couldn't have voided these before the game if it was an issue.

It looks like on the history they did change it at 8:33 est, if theres any issue that is when any wagers they don't want needed to be voided. 7 minute window to allow gamblers to know if they have a bet or not is plenty of time!

There's zero complaint if my wagers are voided before the game starts.


Wish it was at an USA book, because like hazliam said, they would have to honor it. My bet was at risk and only voided once Golden State started to win by a good number. VERY shady!

Ill just have to look at it like they didnt really give me a lot of bonuses in the past. Only way not to feel robbed.

 

[FrankDexter]

This means they took bets on a game 30+ minutes before the game and still didnt cancel them till at least 15 minutes after the game starts. It being a Nationally prime time NBA game also needs to be considered in their action imo. It should be a heavily bet game, and someone should be watching bets they take, is all Im saying.

They can even check when i logged in, I probably logged in less than 5 minutes before I placed the bets, how in the world should I have known it was a bad line and would be voided, very low integrity.

Its not like I saw them go from 5.5 to 3, it was there 20 minutes before I placed it!!!


I still find it unbelievable, that they couldn't have voided these before the game if it was an issue.

It looks like on the history they did change it at 8:33 est, if theres any issue that is when any wagers they don't want needed to be voided. 7 minute window to allow gamblers to know if they have a bet or not is plenty of time!

There's zero complaint if my wagers are voided before the game starts.


Wish it was at an USA book, because like hazliam said, they would have to honor it. My bet was at risk and only voided once Golden State started to win by a good number. VERY shady!

Ill just have to look at it like they didnt really give me a lot of bonuses in the past. Only way not to feel robbed.

Wishing it happened at a legal book?

This is probably what would happen..........

They would honor the wager and immediately close your account. Or........

They would say we will give you the option to cancel your bet and you keep your account.......

Really not much better off at a legal book.

You are right though about one thing though, once they found out they made an error, there should be a system in place to immediately email all those affected by the error.

 

[hazliam]

Wishing it happened at a legal book?

This is probably what would happen..........

They would honor the wager and immediately close your account. Or........

They would say we will give you the option to cancel your bet and you keep your account.......

Really not much better off at a legal book.

You are right though about one thing though, once they found out they made an error, there should be a system in place to immediately email all those affected by the error.

I mean that is a fair option.

 

[DontTailMe]

I mean that is a fair option.

Really? I'd rather keep my account than get credit for a single wager. That account is worth many more possible wagers over my lifetime. I get that you're angry because this type of experience is new to you. But I've just learned to let it go. This is the way it is. If the line was truly off market, then I forget about it. If you don't exercise restraint in this hobby/business, then you'll eventually be banned/limited/self excluded from every single book in existence.

There are times that one should go to war. Hitting a bad line is not one of those times IMOI.

 

[Chip Williams]

Really? I'd rather keep my account than get credit for a single wager. That account is worth many more possible wagers over my lifetime. I get that you're angry because this type of experience is new to you. But I've just learned to let it go. This is the way it is. If the line was truly off market, then I forget about it. If you don't exercise restraint in this hobby/business, then you'll eventually be banned/limited/self excluded from every single book in existence.

There are times that one should go to war. Hitting a bad line is not one of those times IMOI.

Well said and 100% agreed.

 

[hazliam]

Really? I'd rather keep my account than get credit for a single wager. That account is worth many more possible wagers over my lifetime. I get that you're angry because this type of experience is new to you. But I've just learned to let it go. This is the way it is. If the line was truly off market, then I forget about it. If you don't exercise restraint in this hobby/business, then you'll eventually be banned/limited/self excluded from every single book in existence.

There are times that one should go to war. Hitting a bad line is not one of those times IMOI.

I mean I don’t know the size of the wager. But if I hammer a line that is $20k on a +1000 odds for $200k. You can take my account! Give me the cash!

 

[Ace7550]

Yes, if it were over 200k obviously I'd take the money and let the book boot me. But that's an extreme example. I agree with DTM, better to let it go and fight another day. Any pro knows that over time they will recover that money and much more from a soft book like YW.

 

[hazliam]

Yes, if it were over 200k obviously I'd take the money and let the book boot me. But that's an extreme example. I agree with DTM, better to let it go and fight another day. Any pro knows that over time they will recover that money and much more from a soft book like YW.

Hell some books even $1k is worth it. Like how much would you value Betus? I probably put them in the $500 area, given what I know about them.

 

[DontTailMe]

I mean I don’t know the size of the wager. But if I hammer a line that is $20k on a +1000 odds for $200k. You can take my account! Give me the cash!

Of course. I'm assuming it's not a $100k wager. It goes without saying that at a certain point the value of the wager exceed the lifetime value of the account (including risk of business closure).

 

[DontTailMe]

Hell some books even $1k is worth it. Like how much would you value Betus? I probably put them in the $500 area, given what I know about them.

I think it depends on the person. Every book has a different value to each player depending on (a) how skilled a bettor they are, and (b) what offerings that particular book has which are in their wheelhouse. Technically, if you're a long term -EV player than you should even take a $500 win and run for the hills. But even in the case of a recreational, losing bettor, that account might have more than $500 worth of entertainment value to them.

 

[hazliam]

I think it depends on the person. Every book has a different value to each player depending on (a) how skilled a bettor they are, and (b) what offerings that particular book has which are in their wheelhouse. Technically, if you're a long term -EV player than you should even take a $500 win and run for the hills. But even in the case of a recreational, losing bettor, that account might have more than $500 worth of entertainment value to them.

Your right in this regard. But having the option of choosing which route to take would always be more valuable than not having that option.

 

[hazliam]

I always think the book should bear some cost, maybe not the full amount, but some cost as to not try to do this and freeroll the player.

If a book hangs a line even 1-2% of the time and gets to decide to cancel later on that is like Heritage bonus. "Get out of your bet for free!"

 

[DontTailMe]

Your right in this regard. But having the option of choosing which route to take would always be more valuable than not having that option.

Fair.

And for the record, I believe the sportsbooks should have to pay bets that they book. We simply don't have much leverage, so I pick my battles.

 

[Ace7550]

Hell some books even $1k is worth it. Like how much would you value Betus? I probably put them in the $500 area, given what I know about them.

Dude, betus is a cash cow. They just keep giving 100% bonuses even after you beat them. At least that's been my experience. They did burn me on a bonus offer recently. But any book that will continue to give you bonuses after you withdraw a 5 digit amount is one you want to hang on to.