youwager

[vco]

It seems that You Wager has laid out their case, painting me as a player who intended to defraud their book. The reality is quite different. First, let me start off by saying that I have been involved in sports betting for the past 20 years. I have played with many books, all without incident. In fact, I have been playing with You Wager for the past 8 years without incident. Since the time of their claim, which they state occurred in 2016, I have placed many bets and received many payouts from You Wager, albeit in smaller amounts. The timing seems quite interesting considering that now that I have accrued a large balance of $18,000, suddenly You Wager is doing investigative journalism to “discover” a charge back. If we are to take You Wager’s claim at face value, it would seem to be a reasonable action to close my account or charge me the amount of the **********, which they claim is $2800. What rationale can they lay out to justify the possession of my entire balance in the amount of $18,000? This seems like the actions of a book that perhaps is looking to get out of a large payout. Again, if there was a problem with a **********, why continue to accept my business and make payouts to me? Not for a short period of time, but for the past 8 years! I suggest that perhaps they should fire their accountant if problematic transactions do not come to light for almost a decade!

I do not recall charging back $2800. However, as an experienced player, it is clear that if I were a habitual scammer, I would not be able to conduct business as I have for the length of time I have and if I were a professional scammer, You Wager would have more of a history of charge backs to present over the course of the past 8 years. In fact, all of my deposits have been made bitcoin or zelle. Hardly the actions of someone looking to make habitual chargebacks and defraud book.

You Wager should pay me what they owe. If they deem it necessary to close my account, then that is their right and I will do business elsewhere. If they feel they must deduct the alleged $2800 as well, then I disagree but again, will take my money elsewhere. If You Wager decides to steal $18,000 of my money, which was acquired with much time and effort, that I do not accept and call on all those who can influence this unfair and illegitimate decision to speak up and ensure that books continue to make payouts rather than make false claims about their patrons.

It seems that You Wager has laid out their case, painting me as a player who intended to defraud their book. The reality is quite different. First, let me start off by saying that I have been involved in sports betting for the past 20 years. I have played with many books, all without incident. In fact, I have been playing with You Wager for the past 8 years without incident. Since the time of their claim, which they state occurred in 2016, I have placed many bets and received many payouts from You Wager, albeit in smaller amounts. The timing seems quite interesting considering that now that I have accrued a large balance of $18,000, suddenly You Wager is doing investigative journalism to “discover” a charge back. If we are to take You Wager’s claim at face value, it would seem to be a reasonable action to close my account or charge me the amount of the **********, which they claim is $2800. What rationale can they lay out to justify the possession of my entire balance in the amount of $18,000? This seems like the actions of a book that perhaps is looking to get out of a large payout. Again, if there was a problem with a **********, why continue to accept my business and make payouts to me? Not for a short period of time, but for the past 8 years! I suggest that perhaps they should fire their accountant if problematic transactions do not come to light for almost a decade!

I do not recall charging back $2800. However, as an experienced player, it is clear that if I were a habitual scammer, I would not be able to conduct business as I have for the length of time I have and if I were a professional scammer, You Wager would have more of a history of charge backs to present over the course of the past 8 years. In fact, all of my deposits have been made bitcoin or zelle. Hardly the actions of someone looking to make habitual chargebacks and defraud book.

You Wager should pay me what they owe. If they deem it necessary to close my account, then that is their right and I will do business elsewhere. If they feel they must deduct the alleged $2800 as well, then I disagree but again, will take my money elsewhere. If You Wager decides to steal $18,000 of my money, which was acquired with much time and effort, that I do not accept and call on all those who can influence this unfair and illegitimate decision to speak up and ensure that books continue to make payouts rather than make false claims about their patrons.

To address Fedex11204 directly, and for everyone’s understanding: Why were you allowed to play if we were aware of the chargebacks? The simple reason is that we didn’t become aware of your involvement with fraudulent accounts until the withdrawal request was made. Prior to that, Fedex11204 had successfully completed several withdrawals, as mentioned by the poster himself.

For full transparency, here’s a breakdown of the activity related to the fraudulent account that Fedex11204 was directly involved with: IN - 3880, OUT - 3996, and several chargebacks totaling 2909, in that order. This resulted in a negative balance of 3025, despite the customer having profited from their play. Additionally, the customer’s account has over 1K worth of chargebacks.

 

[baus]

The 2% payout fee only applies to professional players who are classified as non-recreational. That’s why it affects just a select few, and not all players. You can find more details about this in our help section, where it’s easy for everyone to see and review.

Thank you for the clarification.

BAUS

 

[Miz]

Thanks VCO. appreciate the detailed explanation.

 

[Pimike]

Hate scammers

 

[fedex11204]

To address Fedex11204 directly, and for everyone’s understanding: Why were you allowed to play if we were aware of the chargebacks? The simple reason is that we didn’t become aware of your involvement with fraudulent accounts until the withdrawal request was made. Prior to that, Fedex11204 had successfully completed several withdrawals, as mentioned by the poster himself.

For full transparency, here’s a breakdown of the activity related to the fraudulent account that Fedex11204 was directly involved with: IN - 3880, OUT - 3996, and several chargebacks totaling 2909, in that order. This resulted in a negative balance of 3025, despite the customer having profited from their play. Additionally, the customer’s account has over 1K worth of chargebacks.

To address the claims made by VCO regarding chargebacks, I had previously been defrauded by CR sports bet, another book, the details of which have been documented in this forum previously. I did ********** against that book as they closed down and took my money with them. By acknowledging the possibility of a ********** here, I am stating that perhaps when I charged back against that book (correctly), I may have accidentally charged back a legitimate charge from You Wager. That is a possibility, though I do not recall the details, and was certainly done unintentionally. Again, if there were a problem 8 years ago, it should have been addressed and either resolved or resulting in the closure of my account. You have not addressed the justification for confiscating $18,000. As far as fraudulent accounts, I have made all transactions under my account FedEx11204. I did help a family member open an account, however I do not see the fraudulent activity being conducted as 99.9% of transactions were done under one account. Again, if I broke the terms of service by charging back 8 years ago or by opening up one other account for a relative, then simply close my account or charge me what I owe you. You have not made the claim that I owe you $18,000. You have also not addressed the fact that all deposits for the past 8 years have been done with Bitcoin or Zelle. Clearly, I was acting in good faith given the fact that if I were intending to **********, I would have used a credit card.

 

[vco]

As mentioned earlier, this issue only came to light recently. Otherwise, his account would have been closed 8 years ago, and he wouldn't have been able to continue wagering. Based on the information provided earlier, the losses significantly exceed just the amount of the chargebacks. If you carefully review what was stated previously, you’ll see that this was intentional, not a mistake. The customer made deposits totaling 3,880 and withdrew 3,996, then proceeded to charge back 2,909 using an alias of someone who was not related to him, but instead a "beard" he used to open an account and later charge back. Furthermore, 7 of the 9 deposits were charged back. While incidental chargebacks are sometimes understandable, having 7 of 9 deposits charged back clearly indicates intentional actions, not an error. The 2 deposits that were not charged back were made through Bitcoin, which cannot be charged back. He also initiated chargebacks through his own account. FedEx has stated that chargebacks were only made with CRsportsbet, yet he has done the same with over 5 other companies. Additionally, the customer has 10 accounts linked to his with us. It is also important to note that the customer profited from the deposits he later charged back. This is not an isolated incident, but rather part of a recurring pattern.

 

[Pimike]

Bottom line this guy is a crook

Good job youwager

 

[baus]

VCO, dealing with such problems must be exhausting. If you want to sell the shop send me a message.

BAUS

 

[fedex11204]

To address Fedex11204 directly, and for everyone’s understanding: Why were you allowed to play if we were aware of the chargebacks? The simple reason is that we didn’t become aware of your involvement with fraudulent accounts until the withdrawal request was made. Prior to that, Fedex11204 had successfully completed several withdrawals, as mentioned by the poster himself.

For full transparency, here’s a breakdown of the activity related to the fraudulent account that Fedex11204 was directly involved with: IN - 3880, OUT - 3996, and several chargebacks totaling 2909, in that order. This resulted in a negative balance of 3025, despite the customer having profited from their play. Additionally, the customer’s account has over 1K worth of chargebacks.

I will address the most recent comments made by VCO. The idea that I would have 10 accounts linked to my own is not plausible as surely such an action would be noticeable over the course of 8 years. Also VCO has not provided any specifics about these links. Anyone can start making claims that I have over 100 accounts. Where is the proof to back this up? Another claim is that 7 of 9 deposits were chargebacks. What 9 deposits? I’ve made 100’s of deposits over the years. As someone else stated, the claims get more wild and more money seems to be owed with every post. Most importantly, the fact that I have 8 years of deposits all made with Zelle or Bitcoin should refute any claims that I am a scam account and all my winnings are fraudulent. There is no justification and YW hasn’t provided any.

 

[Pimike]

No need to proof any more how he tried scamming the book

it’s clear who is wrong.

 

[djefferis]

Again OP - where is your proof ?!?

YOU are the one who started this thread - calling the book out/book responded.

In legalese / you have both made your opening arguments stating what you hope to prove about the other - now - as the complaining party it’s time for you to present your evidence. You don’t get the luxury of saying it’s there job to prove you wrong - YOU MADE THE THREAD AND COMPLAINT.

Either put up or shut up - it’s that simple. Show a copy of the correspondence showing you had a 20k balance and YouWager agreeing to pay you your balance less the alleged 3k chargeback (as YouWager says your balance was much lower) - or at least a screenshot of your balance with ledger showing how you got there. Give the court of public opinion something to find you credible as right now there is nothing to support you.

The book is known by many and has paid multiple times to many. Why would they selectively stiff you - but pay dozens of others on here ?

 

[herky]

The 2% payout fee only applies to professional players who are classified as non-recreational. That’s why it affects just a select few, and not all players. You can find more details about this in our help section, where it’s easy for everyone to see and review.

you charged me 2% on multiple w/ds and I am in no way a professional player. Lost many 1000s to you over the years.