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Tanko

Tanko

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XLE
Sbux
Ceix
SMG

all currently in my relatively small portfolio

XLE I own and sell covered calls on weekly just out of the money for cash flow (roughly 80% of my portfolio)

Sbux bought on the dip at 70 - actually bought several Aug 75 calls - sold yesterday and bought sbux stock with the profit.

CEIX another energy play on the relatively small coal industry - held for a while.

SMG was another value play - bought a while back in the mid 50s as they struggled. It’s popped back up and pays a dividend.

I like dividends - but don’t judge a stock solely on its dividend. If I can have appreciation in price AND paid to own it - that’s the ideal situation. Better yet if there’s significant upside appreciation while a company deals with temporary issues.
Do you invest in the index funds Djefferis? What's your thougths on them.

I used to dabble in individual stocks (still do to a small extent) but, except for the money I invest with a financial advisor, I mainly invests in index funds (foreign and domestic) on my own.
 

djefferis

djefferis

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Do you invest in the index funds Djefferis? What's your thougths on them.

I used to dabble in individual stocks (still do to a small extent) but, except for the money I invest with a financial advisor, I mainly invests in index funds (foreign and domestic) on my own.

Yes

My feeling is simply you’re never going to “out pick” the market as a whole long term - unless you do a significant amount of research and regularly keep at it and trade.

Index’s allow you to match the market - while narrowing down to specific sectors using ETFs - for the average investor - this is probably gathering way to go.

The expense ratios on these ETFs for index’s are low as they just track the index - not a lot of advisement needed. Supplement those with a few sectors that you rotate in and out of as market conditions/performance dictate.

I mean why pay some advisor 2-3% of the total assets under management a year - with no guarantee they are going to “beat” the market - or even return enough to cover their fee. Yes - in general they will maintain your portfolio to always yield 3-4% - so they can say they “made” you money - but unless I am getting 3%+ above market returns - they aren’t making me a cent. Worse - if I lose - they don’t offer a damn rebate. Hell - even offshore books feel bad and give you back 2% on your action win or lose.

Key as always is moderation and diversification. There is almost always a “winning” market and a “losing” market - of course for most small guys - it only matters what the S&P 500 does and to a lesser extent the Dow/Nasdaq 100. Keep between 50-70% in stocks - and balance in bonds/cash and then a small percentage in speculative and you’ll be fine.
 

thefix

thefix

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Tell that to my buddy "Tater" guy lost a ton, started a grow op to recoup the Ls and ended up getting 5 years in the feds. Now he wasn't the brightest bulb in the box but if you do not know what you are doing? Way better off betting IMO.
Well sure if you know one person that lost money in the market ( did not know what he was doing ) logic dictates that it's a bad idea altogether. Betting comes with no such bad luck stories. Ignore the posts on here asking for spare change from couch cushions so guys can make a 9 team $5 parlay, outliers.
 

stormtrooper8

stormtrooper8

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Buy index funds

VTI
VOO

Pretty much throw all leftover money into those

Max out Roth

401k is debatable but usually good to just do it because of taxes, and often times employers match some % of it (free money)
 

KidsToFeed

KidsToFeed

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If you prefer dividends, simply select a "dividend aristocrat" - These are companies that are members of the S&P 500 and they have increased their dividends for at least 25 years. If you want a flashy growth stock, you have to take more risk. Think emerging technology like AI. Combine it with cybersecurity and you get something like Crowdstrike (CRWD). If you want the flashy growth but don't trust yourself to choose the right equity, perhaps look at QQQ.
 
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