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phillyflyers

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There's nothing that Russia has that Europe doesn't. I remember reading that in some places in Ukraine, Russia is using Soviet-era equipment. If the Ruskies can't beat Ukraine easily, they have no chance against Europe.
Europe doesn't have hypersonic missiles. Russia does.

Europe wouldn't win a war in it's own against Russia unless USA was in it with them.

On their own, they are a fractious collective of nations that really don't like each other very much that are only held together by binding contracts.
 

sharpsquare

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Europe doesn't have hypersonic missiles. Russia does.

Europe wouldn't win a war in it's own against Russia unless USA was in it with them.

On their own, they are a fractious collective of nations that really don't like each other very much that are only held together by binding contracts.

And who told you that Europe doesn't have hypersonic missiles?

We already know about the air-breathing hypersonic engine that was developed in a joint operation between the US and Europe. If we know about the testing and results, they have had this for a while, as we are always behind what actual developments have already happened.

Russia's military has been in a downward spiral for years now, and they have nothing Europe doesn't. As previously mentioned Russia can't even over take Ukraine over several years now - Europe would kick the shit out of them.

This isn't 1980
 

thegeauxt

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Russians are the DUMBEST mother f-ckers on the planet. Doesn't matter if you're in the oilfield, the lab room, or at war. They are DUMB! Even when you hand them the technology, they might have a 50/50 shot at effectively utilizing said technology. This was true in the 70s and it's still true today. NOBODY in Europe is worried about losing a war to these dipshits.
 

phillyflyers

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And who told you that Europe doesn't have hypersonic missiles?

We already know about the air-breathing hypersonic engine that was developed in a joint operation between the US and Europe. If we know about the testing and results, they have had this for a while, as we are always behind what actual developments have already happened.

Russia's military has been in a downward spiral for years now, and they have nothing Europe doesn't. As previously mentioned Russia can't even over take Ukraine over several years now - Europe would kick the shit out of them.

This isn't 1980
Europe doesn't have hypersonic missiles. I read all the military journals and follow many channels.

It is doubtful the USA even has hypersonic missiles.

European countries don't even spend 2% of their budget on their own militaries. Russia, meanwhile, is a war machine.

Europe, by itself in a war vs. Russia, woulsd find the Russian flag flying over their capitals eventually.

Without the USA, Europe isn't much of anything, militarily.
 

sharpsquare

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Europe doesn't have hypersonic missiles. I read all the military journals and follow many channels.

It is doubtful the USA even has hypersonic missiles.

European countries don't even spend 2% of their budget on their own militaries. Russia, meanwhile, is a war machine.

Europe, by itself in a war vs. Russia, woulsd find the Russian flag flying over their capitals eventually.

Without the USA, Europe isn't much of anything, militarily.


I'm not sure what Military journals you are reading or what channels you are following, but they are clearly behind.

:surrender:
 

drunkenhorseplayer

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Europe doesn't have hypersonic missiles. I read all the military journals and follow many channels.

It is doubtful the USA even has hypersonic missiles.

European countries don't even spend 2% of their budget on their own militaries. Russia, meanwhile, is a war machine.

Europe, by itself in a war vs. Russia, woulsd find the Russian flag flying over their capitals eventually.

Without the USA, Europe isn't much of anything, militarily.
You seriously think that Russia as something that the US doesn't? You're fukkin dreaming.
 

phillyflyers

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You seriously think that Russia as something that the US doesn't? You're fukkin dreaming.
You say that but what does the USA really have?

A couple of F 22 and F 35?

Carrier group is old and in need of replacement.

Abram tanks are near worthless and need a complete redesign.

Russia has hypersonic missiles already. Their new SU aircraft fighters are advanced as anything in the US inventory.

Really, what do you think the USA has?
 

phillyflyers

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Check this out instead of taking my word for it..

Right now, the UK, Italy, and Japan are working on the most advanced fighter jet ever.

Look it up for yourself. The project is called Tempest.

Once this thing gets completed, the USA will be behind the UK, Italy, and Japan in terms of air superiority.
 

drunkenhorseplayer

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You say that but what does the USA really have?

A couple of F 22 and F 35?

Carrier group is old and in need of replacement.

Abram tanks are near worthless and need a complete redesign.

Russia has hypersonic missiles already. Their new SU aircraft fighters are advanced as anything in the US inventory.

Really, what do you think the USA has?
The US has the most advanced military in the world; yes, the gap has closed recently but we're still #1 and we're way ahead of Russia. The only one that even comes close is China.
 

sharpsquare

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Check this out instead of taking my word for it..

Right now, the UK, Italy, and Japan are working on the most advanced fighter jet ever.

Look it up for yourself. The project is called Tempest.

Once this thing gets completed, the USA will be behind the UK, Italy, and Japan in terms of air superiority.


Seriously how can someone be this damn misinformed.

Tempest is tech that the US already has. And we have had it for quite a while now
 

phillyflyers

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The US has the most advanced military in the world; yes, the gap has closed recently but we're still #1 and we're way ahead of Russia. The only one that even comes close is China.
USA most advanced what? Russia now has hypersonic weaponry, just as advanced jet fighters.

China has none of that.

Europe , on it's own, in a full scale war with Russia, wouldn't be pretty. It would result in the annihilation of the European continent.
 

sharpsquare

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USA most advanced what? Russia now has hypersonic weaponry, just as advanced jet fighters.

China has none of that.

Europe , on it's own, in a full scale war with Russia, wouldn't be pretty. It would result in the annihilation of the European continent.


Multiple other countries have hypersonic weaponry capabilities, including the US, Europe, and China.

Russia hasn't been on the cutting edge of Military tech in more than a decade now.
 

phillyflyers

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Multiple other countries have hypersonic weaponry capabilities, including the US, Europe, and China.

Russia hasn't been on the cutting edge of Military tech in more than a decade now.
Incorrect.

The only country on earth who has actually demonstrated hypersonic weaponry is Russia.

The USA and China are investing into developing that but nothing concrete that we already have it.
 

sharpsquare

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Incorrect.

The only country on earth who has actually demonstrated hypersonic weaponry is Russia.

The USA and China are investing into developing that but nothing concrete that we already have it.


Completely inaccurate! Where do u get this from, because u really need to find new sources? We know these countries have the tech and have had it for a while now - Russia bragged about it because they needed to - they are falling behind tech wise and have been.

These other countries don't need to demonstrate because it's already known that they lead the planet when it comes to military tech.
 

phillyflyers

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Seriously, are u this dense? Where do u get this from, because u really need to find new sources? We know these countries have the tech and have had it for a while now - Russia bragged about it because they needed to - they are falling behind tech wise and have been.

These other countries don't need to demonstrate because it's already known that they lead the planet when it comes to military tech.
You're wrong then and you're wrong now.

Once again, Russia is the only nation on earth that has actually demonstrated they have hypersonic weaponry.

While the USA and China remain invested in this technology, there is nothing so far that shows either one is actually in possession of them. Like Russia.

What, in your opinion, is so great about American tech?

By 2035 or sooner, Italy and Japan will have air superiority over us.

Think about that.

Our Navy fleet is old. Carriers need to get replaced. Other groups as well.

Our tanks are outdated.

We do have a few really great subs but not many.

What are you seeing that makes you so arrogant about our military?
 

sharpsquare

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You're wrong then and you're wrong now.

Once again, Russia is the only nation on earth that has actually demonstrated they have hypersonic weaponry.

While the USA and China remain invested in this technology, there is nothing so far that shows either one is actually in possession of them. Like Russia.

What, un your opinion, is so great about American tech?

By 2035 or sooner, Italy and Japan will have air superiority over us.

Think about that.

Our Navy fleet is old. Carriers need to get replaced. Other groups as well.

Our tanks are outdated.

We do have a few really great subs but not many.

What are you seeing that makes you so arrogant about our military?


The US and now China are far and away the leaders worldwide in Military tech this is simply a fact - Russia is not even in thet conversation today.

Saying stuff that is inaccurate over and over never makes it true, and that's what u keep doing. Hypersonic weaponry tech has been around for a few years now, and much of what Russia has developed is tech they got from other countries that are a couple of years ahead. Just because they bragged about it doesn't mean they only have it; that is ridiculous.

Italy and Japan share tech with us, we are allies and have an alliance, so they have nothing tech wise that we do not - this is widely known lol

China and the US lead the way in fighter jet tech via models like the Raptor and Lightning on the US side and the Chengdu on China's side - neither Italy or Japan have anything really close. Russia tried to catch up some with the Sukhoi but it was a complete disaster and the shenyang has lagged in development as well and is years behind now pretty much obsolete.

When it comes to Naval superiority, the US and China are light years ahead of anyone else. In fact, new stealth and A.I. tech Naval ships and subs developed by both countries have boosted their TvR rating to where 3rd place (Russia) isn't even in shouting distance. The US has 2 different Naval ships that we know very little about tech wise because they are so advanced on the open water today.

These are not random statements and stuff I saw on a crappy youtube video. These are Military facts!
 
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