RIP Matthew Perry

[BMR Genie]

The Los Angeles Medical Examiner listed Matthew Perry's cause of death as ketamine in an autopsy released Friday.


"Acute effects of ketamine" was listed as a cause of death in addition to drowning, according to the autopsy. Perry died on Oct. 28.

Looks like he took more than he was supposed to. Until now I am still heartbroken for Matthew.

 

[Tanko]

Wow...
Ketamine is a dissociative anesthetic

 

[harpo]

SUICIDE WMFAH A FF QUITER

 

[rdalert447]

The Los Angeles Medical Examiner listed Matthew Perry's cause of death as ketamine in an autopsy released Friday.


"Acute effects of ketamine" was listed as a cause of death in addition to drowning, according to the autopsy. Perry died on Oct. 28.

That’s what they want you to believe.

 

[JDS]

Thanks for the update.

 

[flyingillini]

Wow...
Ketamine is a dissociative anesthetic

I have done Ketamine 100s of times, I used to love going into the "k-hole" haven't done it in 15 years. Great great feeling. I would think he would of woken up while he was drowning or the first sense of not being able to breathe, you are fully aware of things during a k-hole, he probably had a heart attack and then slipped down in the water. RIP and may Christ bless his soul!

 

[BMR Genie]

Why did they use the term "Acute effects of Ketamine" instead of Ketamine overdose?

 

[Tanko]

I have done Ketamine 100s of times, I used to love going into the "k-hole" haven't done it in 15 years. Great great feeling. I would think he would of woken up while he was drowning or the first sense of not being able to breathe, you are fully aware of things during a k-hole, he probably had a heart attack and then slipped down in the water. RIP and may Christ bless his soul!

I read he had 3.5 mg/ml in his blood.
When ketamine is used for anesthesia it requries 1.0 - 5.0 mg/ml.

He had a good dose in him.

 

[flyingillini]

I read he had 3.5 mg/ml in his blood.
When ketamine is used for anesthesia it requries 1.0 - 5.0 mg/ml.

He had a good dose in him.

I’ve had 2.0 mixed with MDMA and some yayo dozens of times. Trust me. He had a heart attack then drowned.

 

[JDS]

I’ve had 2.0 mixed with MDMA and some yayo dozens of times. Trust me. He had a heart attack then drowned.

 

[jjgold]

Most of these are drugs

 

[BMR Genie]

He's been battling depression for a long time. Just sad. The love of family and friends I guess was not enough.

 

[jjgold]

All these guys just junkies

 

[JDS]

He's been battling depression for a long time. Just sad. The love of family and friends I guess was not enough.

He couldn’t find a woman to love and accept him for who he is with all the money & fame. I would be depressed and miserable as well.

 

[KVB]

He's been battling depression for a long time. Just sad. The love of family and friends I guess was not enough.

He couldn’t find a woman to love and accept him for who he is with all the money & fame. I would be depressed and miserable as well.

Sometimes these problems simply aren’t external.

All the love, joy, money, success, and anything anybody would want, including the person himself, is just not enough.

When the chemistry of the brain starts floating around, it doesn’t matter how much love and acceptance is in your world, the brain just won’t think it’s enough.

Tough for sure, demons are real.

 

[JDS]

Sometimes these problems simply aren’t external.

All the love, joy, money, success, and anything anybody would want, including the person himself, is just not enough.

When the chemistry of the brain starts floating around, it doesn’t matter how much love and acceptance is in your world, the brain just won’t think it’s enough.

Tough for sure, demons are real.

I kind of disagree with that, because in my own relationship. I’m like my girlfriend’s remedy to her depression. There wasn’t a pill in the world that could help her. She was a total mess before I came into her life. The love and compassion I’ve shown her, keeps her on a path to where the depression is almost nonexistent. Having said that this is only a one year sample size though. So we’ll see what happens long-term.

 

[Tanko]

Tough for sure, demons are real.

I choose to ignore them...

That was the best line in the movie "A Beautiful Mind".

 

[KVB]

I kind of disagree with that, because in my own relationship. I’m like my girlfriend’s remedy to her depression. There wasn’t a pill in the world that could help her. She was a total mess before I came into her life. The love and compassion I’ve shown her, keeps her on a path to where the depression is almost nonexistent. Having said that this is only a one year sample size though. So we’ll see what happens long-term.

Yikes Jerky.

Read my post again. I start with the word sometimes.

There are some with clinical depression that get better just by managing their diet. It's completely external. There are some that commit suicide at the height of success, and some with no success, so external factors contribute far less.

Then there are some that feel lonely and down then get a boyfriend and things seem better.

I'm referring to depression, I'm not sure you are. I'm not saying you aren't, but surely can see the different levels and extremes we're talking about here.

If you find someone that is diagnosed clinically depressed, and is a "total mess" and can't find pill that works, then it's not likely some compassion from an individual will cause any lasting relief.

But if you find someone who is just a "total mess" and no pill will work because it's likely not the appropriate treatment, then there's a good chance it's not clinical or significant depression we're talking about here.

Mental health issues can be intertwined and the old school thinking that love and support from others combined with some sense of control by the person is enough almost always falls short of desired outcomes.

If your girl was truly depressed, before you met her, and you had an effect, then you will MOST LIKELY be in a continuous battle with her and her depression. Otherwise, it may not have been depression, and just a phase of life and her reactions.

It can be real sticky there as it is quite a spectrum to deal with and everyone is different.

 

[JDS]

Yikes Jerky.

Read my post again. I start with the word sometimes.

There are some with clinical depression that get better just by managing their diet. It's completely external. There are some that commit suicide at the height of success, and some with no success, so external factors contribute far less.

Then there are some that feel lonely and down then get a boyfriend and things seem better.

I'm referring to depression, I'm not sure you are. I'm not saying you aren't, but surely can see the different levels and extremes we're talking about here.

If you find someone that is diagnosed clinically depressed, and is a "total mess" and can't find pill that works, then it's not likely some compassion from an individual will cause any lasting relief.

But if you find someone who is just a "total mess" and no pill will work because it's likely not the appropriate treatment, then there's a good chance it's the depression we're talking about here.

Mental health issues can be intertwined and the old school thinking that love and support from others combined with some sense of control by the person is enough almost always falls short of desired outcomes.

If your girl was truly depressed, before you met her, and you had an effect, then you will MOST LIKELY be in a continuous battle with her and her depression. Otherwise, it may not have been depression, and just a phase of life and her reactions.

It can be real sticky there as it is quite a spectrum to deal with and everyone is different.

OK I didn’t see that word “sometimes”. You don’t think if Matthew Perry was in a current successful relationship before he passed where his partner gave him unconditional love to all his issues internally he would be alive today ?

 

[KVB]

OK I didn’t see that word “sometimes”. You don’t think if Matthew Perry was in a current successful relationship before he passed where his partner gave him unconditional love to all his issues internally he would be alive today ?

We're talking about it in this thread, and clearly he had issues, but it's not like he committed suicide here, at least it doesn't look like it.

But I would caution in the most extreme way about considering relationships, love, acceptance, and those external factors in terms of helping most depression.

Make no mistake, lack of those things are definitely shown to CAUSE mental problems, without a doubt, including depression. Especially isolation over time. It's very bad for humans.

But in the face of mental problems, the present of those things aren't necessarily the most effective medicines. The causes and severity of depression, etc. are all big factors.