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Tanko

Tanko

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But wait, what happened to everyone must go through pain to get to the riches of making America Wealthy Again!? Why should we bail out the farmers? Let everyone take the hit for these tariffs.
I was thinking the same thing last night. So farmers are going to get bailed out for these tariffs but everyone else who suffers just gets higher prices.

I guess its just smart politics to keep paying off the red farm states so they will continue to vote that way.
 

Wagerallsports

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Did you guys know that the percentage of food we import into the United States grows larger annually??

Same with medications

Another one of the goals is to change that

We cannot continue to rely on other countries to feed ourselves. Just think about how foolish that is

if the sh!t ever does really hit the fan, how will we feed ourselves….
 

Tanko

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Did you guys know that the percentage of food we import into the United States grows larger annually??

Same with medications

Another one of the goals is to change that

We cannot continue to rely on other countries to feed ourselves. Just think about how foolish that is

if the sh!t ever does really hit the fan, how will we feed ourselves….
I think a lot of people agree with these points Wager.
HOW Trump is going about making change is the issue.

There has to be a better way than this. Sure it may take time to achieve that change but it would likely be less disruptive.
 

Wagerallsports

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I think a lot of people agree with these points Wager.
HOW Trump is going about making change is the issue.

There has to be a better way than this. Sure it may take time to achieve that change but it would likely be less disruptive.
Yes maybe a better way, but how??

Sit down with each and every one of them and explain the thievery cannot continue?

The U.S. already did that as they gave more than ample notice that this was coming and even a date

That gave them all an opportunity to take initiative and request discussion

Only a few did that

So we have to ask, are the governments that incompetent, or simply insist on wanting to continue being dishonest?

This is more on those countries who ‘don’t get it’

Deals have already been made and it will continue

Even is there were a few countries left refusing to budge or countering with additional counter thievery, the U.S. will still have helped themselves
 

djefferis

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Did you guys know that the percentage of food we import into the United States grows larger annually??

Same with medications

You are correct - however look at the REASONS for these increases.

- Food, certain items we simply cannot produce domestically (coffee for example) - as well inflation makes the number grow bigger (just as our outflows grow). Bottom line though - we are talking about a 20% deficit to exports and we are a developed consumer nation. Expecting us to send more than we take in would mean we expect to be an agrarian nation / which we haven’t been since the 1800s.

Medicines - again yes, we are an importer of many meds - primarily off patent drugs which are not profitable for companies to produce here and whose primary ingredients are sourced elsewhere. Our patent laws and reciprocal agreements keep this from happening to drugs out less than 20 years. It’s not like we are reliant upon other countries for our newest innovations - it’s the most basic meds we don’t make here. And that’s why this whole tariffs bit is a bad idea - your pissing off nations who control things we NEED over things we send them they don’t.

Our biggest export is petroleum - worst case, there are several nations who will happily make up for the loss of US oil (for a price). Same with wheat/corn - when we shut the tap off - you don’t think Eastern Europe is ready to start taking advantage of the greater prices goods will bring in an attempt to build their shambles of an economy?

We should have been specifically targeting the few nations (China) who were beating us up the worst and to whom we could leverage concessions from ultimately if we WERE NOT in a Trump vs the world showdown. But piss off everyone and it just boost our biggest enemies position. You know the old saying - the enemy of my enemy is my friend…well China is making a lot of friends this week - including a couple right next door to us.
 

Tanko

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We should have been specifically targeting the few nations (China) who were beating us up the worst and to whom we could leverage concessions from ultimately if we WERE NOT in a Trump vs the world showdown. But piss off everyone and it just boost our biggest enemies position. You know the old saying - the enemy of my enemy is my friend…well China is making a lot of friends this week - including a couple right next door to us.
Entire post was spot on Djeff. This last paragraph is HOW these tariffs should have been implemented, byusing a scalpel/targeted not via nuclear option.

Hopefully, this still works out. It will take several weeks if not months to see the fallout. Maybe people will come to their senses before the economy goes to crap.
 

Headsterx

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You are correct - however look at the REASONS for these increases.

- Food, certain items we simply cannot produce domestically (coffee for example) - as well inflation makes the number grow bigger (just as our outflows grow). Bottom line though - we are talking about a 20% deficit to exports and we are a developed consumer nation. Expecting us to send more than we take in would mean we expect to be an agrarian nation / which we haven’t been since the 1800s.

Medicines - again yes, we are an importer of many meds - primarily off patent drugs which are not profitable for companies to produce here and whose primary ingredients are sourced elsewhere. Our patent laws and reciprocal agreements keep this from happening to drugs out less than 20 years. It’s not like we are reliant upon other countries for our newest innovations - it’s the most basic meds we don’t make here. And that’s why this whole tariffs bit is a bad idea - your pissing off nations who control things we NEED over things we send them they don’t.

Our biggest export is petroleum - worst case, there are several nations who will happily make up for the loss of US oil (for a price). Same with wheat/corn - when we shut the tap off - you don’t think Eastern Europe is ready to start taking advantage of the greater prices goods will bring in an attempt to build their shambles of an economy?

We should have been specifically targeting the few nations (China) who were beating us up the worst and to whom we could leverage concessions from ultimately if we WERE NOT in a Trump vs the world showdown. But piss off everyone and it just boost our biggest enemies position. You know the old saying - the enemy of my enemy is my friend…well China is making a lot of friends this week - including a couple right next door to us.
Completely agreed. China is the worst offender and Trump should have laid out specifically want he wanted to change in the trades with them. Then go and negotiate with them or threaten tariffs. Hopefully, that would work and we get a better trade agreement with them. The next move down the second worst offender, EU, and so on.
 

Headsterx

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90 days pause for numerous countries and now this:

President Donald Trump’s administration exempted smartphones, computers and other electronics from its so-called reciprocal tariffs, representing a major reprieve for global technology manufacturers including Apple Inc. and Nvidia Corp.

Trump’s tariffs are becoming more convoluted than the tax codes. Well, at least he has countries “kissing his ass.”
 
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