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Tanko

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Anyone surprised bonds are dropping at the same time as stocks? Usually bonds are a safe haven when stocks are falling.

One analyst stated this is worrying because it likely means financial houses are selling bonds because they need to raise money to cover losses elsewhere. In other words, there may be more pain to come. :unsure:
 

KVB

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Trump caved so much for manufacturing coming back.

Maybe that was never the goal.

Perhaps congressional Republicans we’re going to pull the plug, so Trump caved.
 

Tanko

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I wonder what happens around Independence day. Will we be back on the edge of cliff?
Hopefully, we'll negotiate and settle with everyone but I doubt China is going to give in.

They seem to be in a good position right now.
- Alternative sources for grain.
- Willing to take the hit on exports being cut to US
- Holding $800B in US treasuries.
- etc...

The only way they get China to backdown is to get the rest of the world to agree to pressure them with us.
 

Tanko

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Trump caved so much for manufacturing coming back.

Maybe that was never the goal.

Perhaps congressional Republicans we’re going to pull the plug, so Trump caved.
I'm wondering if this played more of a role than the market tanking.

What do you think Trump's end game is here KVB. If its not bringing jobs to America then why go through this? I personally don't trust him anymore. Too many back-and-forths on this stuff. Makes me wonder if we're seeing a "touch of Joe Biden" in his mental faculties.
 

KVB

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I'm wondering if this played more of a role than the market tanking.

What do you think Trump's end game is here KVB. If its not bringing jobs to America then why go through this? I personally don't trust him anymore. Too many back-and-forths on this stuff. Makes me wonder if we're seeing a "touch of Joe Biden" in his mental faculties.

He’s getting bad advice, but we knew that with the roll out.

Tough to have an endgame when you don’t know what you’re doing.
 

KVB

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I know the treasury secretary has hated these tariffs, maybe he finally got what he wanted with Trump backing down.

I bet he’s breathing a sigh of relief.
 

stormtrooper8

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I'm wondering if this played more of a role than the market tanking.

What do you think Trump's end game is here KVB. If it’s not bringing jobs to America then why go through this? I personally don't trust him anymore. Too many back-and-forths on this stuff. Makes me wonder if we're seeing a "touch of Joe Biden" in his mental faculties.
Why would you compare Trump to Biden?

Biden had declining health issues but never would have done this shit like Trump is doing. He was at worst a sensible guy and decent human being even if you don’t love his political ideology. He is an infinitely better human than Trump.

Trump doesn’t have an end game. He’s just a thin-skinned clown. Always has been.

The best thing you could say about him at this point is he just doing this shit to manipulate the stock market. Which is obviously morally fucked.

Everyone who has a brain knows that Trump was NEVER going to bring manufacturing back to the US. He won the election because he convinced depressed people in Michigan/Wisconsin/Pennsylvania that there would be prosperous coal towns again. He did that in 2016, realized it didn’t work in 2020, then did it again in 2024. In 2028 the Democrats will probably win those states.

Unfortunately our country is intellectually lazy, entitled, and not rational about a lot of things. Honestly that’s the most disturbing thing moving forward
 

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Trump caved so much for manufacturing coming back.

Maybe that was never the goal.

Perhaps congressional Republicans we’re going to pull the plug, so Trump caved.
The goal? What goal?

Manufacturing has done about as well as it could. People don’t want to accept that it’s never going to be like it was decades ago

Trump is an idiot but even he knows that. His job has always been to manipulate uneducated people in the Midwest that those factories and coal towns would come back. And people are dumb enough to believe him
 

Tanko

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Why would you compare Trump to Biden?

Biden had declining health issues but never would have done this shit like Trump is doing. He was at worst a sensible guy and decent human being even if you don’t love his political ideology. He is an infinitely better human than Trump.

Trump doesn’t have an end game. He’s just a thin-skinned clown. Always has been.

The best thing you could say about him at this point is he just doing this shit to manipulate the stock market. Which is obviously morally fucked.

Everyone who has a brain knows that Trump was NEVER going to bring manufacturing back to the US. He won the election because he convinced depressed people in Michigan/Wisconsin/Pennsylvania that there would be prosperous coal towns again. He did that in 2016, realized it didn’t work in 2020, then did it again in 2024. In 2028 the Democrats will probably win those states.

Unfortunately our country is intellectually lazy, entitled, and not rational about a lot of things. Honestly that’s the most disturbing thing moving forward
Mental decline.... Read my post more carefully.
 
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