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Wagerallsports

Wagerallsports

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All great basketball players have the most turnovers

It goes hand in hand with being complete players, play the most minutes, and sometimes have little help



NBA All-Time Leaders In Turnovers​


Rank
PlayerTOV
1.LeBron James5211
2.Russell Westbrook4587
3.Karl Malone*4524
4.Moses Malone*4264
5.John Stockton*4244
6.Kobe Bryant*4010
7.Jason Kidd*4003
8.Julius Erving*3940
9.Artis Gilmore*3926
10.James Harden3919
11.Isiah Thomas*3682
12.Hakeem Olajuwon*3667
13.Patrick Ewing*3537
14.Paul Pierce*3532
15.Magic Johnson*3506
16.Reggie Theus3493
17.Steve Nash*3478
18.Tim Duncan*3381
19.Charles Barkley*3376
20.Kevin Durant3364
21.Dwyane Wade*3326
22.Shaquille O'Neal*3310
23.Dwight Howard3302
24.Allen Iverson*3262
25.Scottie Pippen*3257
26.Robert Parish*3183
27.Kevin Garnett*3179
28.Mark Jackson3155
29.Andre Miller3121
30.Ron Boone3085
31.Carmelo Anthony3052
32.Gary Payton*3030
33.Stephen Curry2987
34.Clyde Drexler*2977
35.Chris Paul2964
36.Michael Jordan*2924
37.George Gervin*2909
38.Tony Parker*2865
39.Rod Strickland2862
40.Alex English*2821
41.Larry Bird*2816
42.Bernard King*2791
43.Charles Oakley2785
44.Buck Williams2784
45.Otis Thorpe2774
46.Shawn Kemp2766
47.George McGinnis*2763
48.Ray Allen*2709
49.Dominique Wilkins*2669
50.Terry Porter2666
 

Archie

Archie

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ABA)

NBA/ABA Leaders
Rank Player TOV Season
1. James Harden 464 2016-17
2. Russell Westbrook 438 2016-17
3. George McGinnis* 422 1974-75
4. George McGinnis* 401 1972-73
5. George McGinnis* 393 1973-74
6. James Harden 387 2018-19
7. Billy Cunningham* 381 1972-73
Russell Westbrook 381 2017-18
9. James Harden 374 2015-16
10. Artis Gilmore* 366 1977-78
11. Ralph Simpson 360 1975-76
Kevin Porter 360 1977-78
13. Micheal Ray Richardson 359 1979-80
14. Larry Brown* 356 1969-70
Mack Calvin 356 1970-71
16. Larry Brown* 355 1967-68
Ron Boone 355 1968-69
18. Ricky Sobers 352 1977-78
19. Charles Barkley* 350 1985-86
20. Reggie Theus 348 1979-80
 

Wagerallsports

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All of the great players aren’t on the most turnovers list by coincidence

There are things that coincide with it

Why aren’t just all average or below average players who played a long time filling the list?

As for Caitlin Clark, it’s her first year

She also has zero help - none - nada - zilch

Indiana had #1 pick for good reason

She is the Barry Sanders of basketball right now

A one-woman army

So as a great player she has to try & do too much

And to top it off what makes it far worse for is she’s being targeted every night

The other team is playing her much harder than they do on most nights and we already know the reasons why which has been discussed openly & publicly
 

Wagerallsports

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This entire debate reminds me of when ppl say Russell Westbrook sucks and only a stat-stuffer

If that’s the case, then many other players would be averaging triple-doubles for an entire season solely to get themselves bigger & better contracts

But nobody else does because they aren’t capable of it…
 

stormtrooper8

stormtrooper8

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All of the great players aren’t on the most turnovers list by coincidence

There are things that coincide with it

Why aren’t just all average or below average players who played a long time filling the list?

As for Caitlin Clark, it’s her first year

She also has zero help - none - nada - zilch

Indiana had #1 pick for good reason

She is the Barry Sanders of basketball right now

A one-woman army

So as a great player she has to try & do too much

And to top it off what makes it far worse for is she’s being targeted every night

The other team is playing her much harder than they do on most nights and we already know the reasons why which has been discussed openly & publicly
Yeah but her turnovers are at a whole different level

She was having turnover issues at Iowa too

Like she is going to blow away the single season record for turnovers . 5.5 is absurdly bad

She just is too sloppy sometimes.
 

stormtrooper8

stormtrooper8

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All of the great players aren’t on the most turnovers list by coincidence

There are things that coincide with it

Why aren’t just all average or below average players who played a long time filling the list?

As for Caitlin Clark, it’s her first year

She also has zero help - none - nada - zilch

Indiana had #1 pick for good reason

She is the Barry Sanders of basketball right now

A one-woman army

So as a great player she has to try & do too much

And to top it off what makes it far worse for is she’s being targeted every night

The other team is playing her much harder than they do on most nights and we already know the reasons why which has been discussed openly & publicly
Get what you’re saying

But a lot of times players in her position would actually have better volume stats if her teammates suck

She’d probably have worse stats if she was on a better team
 
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