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flyingillini

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JJ, the current line at Pinnacle is +10 , -114

You are not factoring in "variance" here JJ, this is a complete rookie mistake on your part here. If you calculate the line using the free @KVB variance calculator that he graced the forum with you will see that the true line is +10.5 -103, I am a bit surprised with your lack of laziness regarding your line here. Use the variance calculator and you will see.
 

BMR Genie

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JJ, the current line at Pinnacle is +10 , -114

You are not factoring in "variance" here JJ, this is a complete rookie mistake on your part here. If you calculate the line using the free @KVB variance calculator that he graced the forum with you will see that the true line is +10.5 -103, I am a bit surprised with your lack of laziness regarding your line here. Use the variance calculator and you will see.
Now, almost all books have them at +10. Will it still go up b4 kickoff?
 

stackingreen

stackingreen

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he teaches us that applying "variance" to an equal fair line it gives you a 71% edge
I didn't see it in that video, but I like it. This makes sense (do you recall how he got up to 71%?) and I think it's what a friend of mine, who is a smart guy but doesn't understand the math or handicapping in general like I do, would call the random part of the game or the play or small number of plays that determine a game. Notice that you have to first realize if the line is accurate/tight, which is a tall order for most people at large.
 

flyingillini

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I didn't see it in that video, but I like it. This makes sense (do you recall how he got up to 71%?) and I think it's what a friend of mine, who is a smart guy but doesn't understand the math or handicapping in general like I do, would call the random part of the game or the play or small number of plays that determine a game. Notice that you have to first realize if the line is accurate/tight, which is a tall order for most people at large.
You have to understand variance and you also have to understand “true fair lines “ and what a value play means. I would say 99% of people here don’t understand the concept of applying variance to plays.
 

stackingreen

stackingreen

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Has anyone on the internet checked Sagarin's picks ATS (I guess vs closing line) with the various categories (he has many, predictor-golden mean-recent-strong recent, etc)? I'm curious how that turns out. Obviously, I'm aware that many of these models are are least very similar to what is used to create an opening line, then the books manage money/sharps.
 
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