Bookmaker - Payout and BetPoints PLAYERS BEWARE

[bulldog79]

Jay please read my prior post to realize just how duplicitous this guy truly is. I hate to joke about these things but if I was in his position you might have to hide all the sharp objects around my apt. This dude's basically a mini version of Archie Karas (famously turned $50 into 40M in the 90s in Vegas known as "the Run" just to lose it all).

The good thing is I've made simiar returns several times in my career. Start with 20-30k and turn it into 300-500k +. I will admit this was my biggest run ever, which hurts, but thats gambling. My issue was they should have adjusted their payouts and maybe if they had phone lines active (been down for 1 year plus), perhaps I would have gotten an exception. I tried for over a month leading up to going bust though. Sharp objects. come on man it's only money.

 

[bulldog79]

I tried to edit my final post but it timed out after 5 minutes so I'm gonna conclude with this. I might come across as jealous or a hater to some based on calling him out but since he lost it all what exactly is there to be jealous about? Bottom line is this, he could have posted actual bets that showed how he turned 28K into 1.7M & the ones that eventually wiped him out but instead he comes on here with a convoluted agenda masking his true motive. Apparently he must think no one on here has the reading comprehension to tally up weekly reload/payout history to call him out on his actual bullshit. I'm all about transparency, but if you're willing to "post receipts" at least be up front about what you're true agenda is which this guy clearly wasn't.

Dude Biprob, you are just like KS. Were you picked on or bullied as a kid? What's with the napoleon complex? What am I not being transparent about??? My reloads were simply redepositing funds I had withdrawn. I started and ended with $28K. Not sure what you think I'm hiding little man. I can send you screenshots of all my acticvity, but I was betting $100-400k a day and during the final 4 I risked over $1.5m that Sat alone.

I'm being very transparent, but please let me know what I can provide you

 

[biprob]

I agree with Caramba, Hazliam, and sportsbettor5. I realize there may be exceptions about getting a withdrawl limit increased, but Bookmaker does not allow any phone calls due to the pandemic, so you are forced to communicate with Live Chat rep's, which would be the equivalent of having a conversatin with one of my young children.

It needs to go both ways, there is no reason I can deposit $1m in a day, but only withdrawl $25k. I did not have any roll over bonsuses to claim. I simply was looking to take out more then $100 in a month. The simple fact, I could deposit $1.5M in Bitcoin in one day with Bookmaker, but could only withdrawl $25k day / $100k a month, it not reasonable. It would take me 1.5 years to withdrawl those funds, its desinged for them not to lose and I will never play with a book like that again. Also there agents are lying by saying their processors only allow for $25k a day withdrawls via Bitcoin. Anyone that knows anything about BC, knows there are no limits.

I'd been slow paid by books back in the 90's and early 2000's with the hole processors down or only allows X per day/month. That day is long gone. You should be able to withdrawl/depost the same amount period. Bookmaker is scum, period. Good luck to all

Right bd79, but you knew all this before depositing, so why only complain about it after you lost everything? There hasn't been phone support in 2 years so that's nothing new as well as all the payout T & C you pasted haven't changed. Had there been phone support, did you honestly expect them to raise your limits to increase their liability due to your enormous balance? How about you also explain how you withdrew 125K in one week when the monthly limit is 100K? I know you think I'm nothing but a bitter troll, but I honestly have a tremendous amount of respect for anyone who did what you did (turning 28K into 1.7M is probably a 10,000,000-1 shot considering all the gamblers who had a 28K balance). If your true intent is to educate/illuminate the forum, how about posting some bets/betting strategy to show just how you accomplished that? In spite of what I said earlier, I'm not the least bit interested in seeing how you lost it all cuz any gambler is painfully aware how easy it is to tear it all down than to build it up no matter the amount. With that said I'm fully not expecting you to show your bets but instead keep complaining how you were done wrong by a nefarious offshore book that will never see your business again. BOO FREEKING HOO!

 

[bulldog79]

Right bd79, but you knew all this before depositing, so why only complain about it after you lost everything? There hasn't been phone support in 2 years so that's nothing new as well as all the payout T & C you pasted haven't changed. Had there been phone support, did you honestly expect them to raise your limits to increase their liability due to your enormous balance? How about you also explain how you withdrew 125K in one week when the monthly limit is 100K? I know you think I'm nothing but a bitter troll, but I honestly have a tremendous amount of respect for anyone who did what you did (turning 28K into 1.7M is probably a 10,000,000-1 shot considering all the gamblers who had a 28K balance). If your true intent is to educate/illuminate the forum, how about posting some bets/betting strategy to show just how you accomplished that? In spite of what I said earlier, I'm not the least bit interested in seeing how you lost it all cuz any gambler is painfully aware how easy it is to tear it all down than to build it up no matter the amount. With that said I'm fully not expecting you to show your bets but instead keep complaining how you were done wrong by a nefarious offshore book that will never see your business again. BOO FREEKING HOO!

I explained the $125 - 150 K in a previous thread, but I'm confident you can find it, since you seem very sharp LOL. Share picks with you? No thanks, but I'm doing just fine brother, streaks come and go, good luck

 

[biprob]

Dude Biprob, you are just like KS. Were you picked on or bullied as a kid? What's with the napoleon complex? What am I not being transparent about??? My reloads were simply redepositing funds I had withdrawn. I started and ended with $28K. Not sure what you think I'm hiding little man. I can send you screenshots of all my acticvity, but I was betting $100-400k a day and during the final 4 I risked over $1.5m that Sat alone.

I'm being very transparent, but please let me know what I can provide you

bd79 you don't have to provide me anything but considering how much you initially won, you're obviously a smart guy so I don't understand how you don't see how you're coming across. Tell you what I'll go 1st, these are all my current pending wagers at FD & DK on my FO Futures parlay. Realistic to know I probably have a 10%-15% of them both winning but that's where I'm at. So if you indeed want to know what you'll provide me post the highlighted bets that turned 28K into 1.7M.

 

[bulldog79]

I here where you are coming from 100%. In hindsight, I should have just closed my action down with BM for the next year plus until I received all funds and I know that, but the issue I'm trying to make to people is, if and when anyone goes up large 6 or figure sums, it can take months or years to liquidate and that is not fair imo. Why should every rule be stacked in favor of the book? Especially in this day in age with competition, technology, etc. They are keeping to rules that were in place in the 90's because they didn't have the ability to send $1m in Bitcoin, but there are no excuses today.

biprob, are you supposed to be showing me something? in your previous message with your pending wagers?

 

[bulldog79]

biprob, I like you GS future play, but I don't know anything about tennis. I always make my returns in March Madness and Bowl Games and NFL Playoffs. I'm not great with NBA, but I love watching the playoffs. I believe my winning percentage in this years MM was near 80% (~78.9 to be exact). However, I lost a shit ton of my money on end of season NBA and MLB, which are sports I typically don't play. Hence the reason I was trying to liquidate, I'm stupid I know

 

[biprob]

bd79 you don't have to provide me anything but considering how much you initially won, you're obviously a smart guy so I don't understand how you don't see how you're coming across. Tell you what I'll go 1st, these are all my current pending wagers at FD & DK on my FO Futures parlay. Realistic to know I probably have a 10%-15% of them both winning but that's where I'm at. So if you indeed want to know what you'll provide me post the highlighted bets that turned 28K into 1.7M.

biprob, I like you GS future play, but I don't know anything about tennis. I always make my returns in March Madness and Bowl Games and NFL Playoffs. I'm not great with NBA, but I love watching the playoffs. I believe my winning percentage in this years MM was near 80% (~78.9 to be exact). However, I lost a shit ton of my money on end of season NBA and MLB, which are sports I typically don't play. Hence the reason I was trying to liquidate, I'm stupid I know

If it's one thing you're not, it's stupid. I apologize from coming from a place of antagonism. Obviously sucks that you lost it all but I could never in a million years turn 28K into anything close to 1.7M. At this point you might as well go the legal book route since most books like FD & DK allow you to win up to 1M/day per sport (not sure about the withdrawal policies). Gotta imagine this was your biggest run ever, but based on that you obviously have the ability to go on major runs in the future so best of luck going forward.

 

[biprob]

biprob, I like you GS future play, but I don't know anything about tennis. I always make my returns in March Madness and Bowl Games and NFL Playoffs. I'm not great with NBA, but I love watching the playoffs. I believe my winning percentage in this years MM was near 80% (~78.9 to be exact). However, I lost a shit ton of my money on end of season NBA and MLB, which are sports I typically don't play. Hence the reason I was trying to liquidate, I'm stupid I know

Hey I replied to your post in the one above & it came out a bit convoluted which is why the format is like that.

 

[sportsbettor5]

I here where you are coming from 100%. In hindsight, I should have just closed my action down with BM for the next year plus until I received all funds and I know that, but the issue I'm trying to make to people is, if and when anyone goes up large 6 or figure sums, it can take months or years to liquidate and that is not fair imo. Why should every rule be stacked in favor of the book? Especially in this day in age with competition, technology, etc. They are keeping to rules that were in place in the 90's because they didn't have the ability to send $1m in Bitcoin, but there are no excuses today.

biprob, are you supposed to be showing me something? in your previous message with your pending wagers?

Well said. Nice and succinct.

 

[hazliam]

All things considered, of all the books. Bookmaker probably one of the best one to be owed 7 figures. Imagine having that balance at some othe random books!

 

[Tanko]

All things considered, of all the books. Bookmaker probably one of the best one to be owed 7 figures. Imagine having that balance at some othe random books!

THIS!

 

[bulldog79]

Biprob, I appreciate it and no hard feeling whatsoever. I can certainly understand your opinon as well as others expressed in this thread. By no means am I saying I'm the victim and I was wronged. That is certainly not the case. In hindsight, it may have benecial to include screen shots of the dozens of Live Chats and EM's I had sent over the course of a month trying to find any middleground (i.e. $250-300k a month), but all I received was a BS excuse by customer support saying that can't send that much Bitcoin due to their processors, which we all know is a flat out lie. That was my only point. Trust me, I'm embarrsed to send screen shots showing I lost over 1.5m in a week or so.

Also you are right, that was my best run ever, I've gotten to mid-six figures a handful of times, but never 7 figures plus, but that made it all that more painful. Thanks for the kind works and feel free to message me any time, if you want my opinion or advice on CBB, CFB, or NFL. Good luck to you and have a good evening!

 

[DontTailMe]

I here where you are coming from 100%. In hindsight, I should have just closed my action down with BM for the next year plus until I received all funds and I know that, but the issue I'm trying to make to people is, if and when anyone goes up large 6 or figure sums, it can take months or years to liquidate and that is not fair imo. Why should every rule be stacked in favor of the book? Especially in this day in age with competition, technology, etc. They are keeping to rules that were in place in the 90's because they didn't have the ability to send $1m in Bitcoin, but there are no excuses today.

biprob, are you supposed to be showing me something? in your previous message with your pending wagers?

I honestly don't consider $100k / month withdrawal limit to be anything stacked in the book's favor. That phrase implies it gives them an edge. If you have discipline, then they have no edge. Saying that the withdrawal limit is stacked in their favor is akin to saying that you can be a profitable roulette player as long as you know when to walk away from the table. Which we all (should) know is ridiculous.

Complaining about Bookmaker's withdrawal limit when most books are orders of magnitude lower seems crazy to me.

 

[bulldog79]

I honestly don't consider $100k / month withdrawal limit to be anything stacked in the book's favor. That phrase implies it gives them an edge. If you have discipline, then they have no edge. Saying that the withdrawal limit is stacked in their favor is akin to saying that you can be a profitable roulette player as long as you know when to walk away from the table. Which we all (should) know is ridiculous.

Complaining about Bookmaker's withdrawal limit when most books are orders of magnitude lower seems crazy to me.

DonTailMe: I don’t understand your logic whatsoever. Using your BJ analogy, if I go up $100k on the table, I cash my chips and leave.
This would be the equivalent of me going up $100k in BJ and the casino saying, we can only give you $10k now and come back every month and we will give you $5k. That’s bullshit! I had a run of $1.7 MM and wanted to take my chips and run, except it would take me 17 months to get paid. However if I want to deposit $1.7M in a day no issue….you don’t see the issue there? No need to respond, based on your response says enough about you.

 

[DontTailMe]

DonTailMe: I don’t understand your logic whatsoever. Using your BJ analogy, if I go up $100k on the table, I cash my chips and leave.
This would be the equivalent of me going up $100k in BJ and the casino saying, we can only give you $10k now and come back every month and we will give you $5k. That’s bullshit! I had a run of $1.7 MM and wanted to take my chips and run, except it would take me 17 months to get paid. However if I want to deposit $1.7M in a day no issue….you don’t see the issue there? No need to respond, based on your response says enough about you.

Using the casino table analogy, if they doled out your winnings a portion at a time, that wouldn't give them any edge outside of marginal time value of money. Which isn't insignificant, but Is that really what we're talking about here? It seems the problem is that you blew your balance while it was being held. We know the limits going in, and Bookmaker is among the best in the industry in this area. Have some patience and discipline and chillax.

"No need to respond, based on your response says enough about you."

That's very mature. I express an opinion on the subject and you get all pissy. Cool.

 

[bulldog79]

Using the casino table analogy, if they doled out your winnings a portion at a time, that wouldn't give them any edge outside of marginal time value of money. Which isn't insignificant, but Is that really what we're talking about here? It seems the problem is that you blew your balance while it was being held. We know the limits going in, and Bookmaker is among the best in the industry in this area. Have some patience and discipline and chillax.

"No need to respond, based on your response says enough about you."

That's very mature. I express an opinion on the subject and you get all pissy. Cool.

Ok, why can I deposit $1m in a day, but only withdrawal $25k a day/$100k a month??

If I dep $1m bet one gm and win, it takes a year to be paid? Does that seem right to you? They number the statistics and it will likely keep people in action and in time lose some/all of it back, come on it’s 101

 

[biprob]

Ok, why can I deposit $1m in a day, but only withdrawal $25k a day/$100k a month??

If I dep $1m bet one gm and win, it takes a year to be paid? Does that seem right to you? They number the statistics and it will likely keep people in action and in time lose some/all of it back, come on it’s 101

Hey bg, how does BM reconcile a 100k/month WD limit when they allowed you to WD 25k/day over 5 straight days? Since you were able to WD 125k in that 1 week that obviously put you over the limit, how did they justify that?

 

[bulldog79]

Hey bg, how does BM reconcile a 100k/month WD limit when they allowed you to WD 25k/day over 5 straight days? Since you were able to WD 125k in that 1 week that obviously put you over the limit, how did they justify that?

$100k per calendar month. 5 days crossed over Feb and March.

 

[hazliam]

Just wondering, did you start a Justbet account? Since they are sister books, you can put the action in Justbet and withdrawal at BM. If you build a balance you can still have double the withdrawal rate. This would be true with Galaxysports, but they no longer adding accounts.