As far as the line screen, most pros only follow about four shops

[jjgold]

The rest are meaningless and I think a few are not on the screen

 

[BobbyFK]

And what shops would that be JJ?

 

[flyingillini]

The rest are meaningless and I think a few are not on the screen

I will say JJ. I wouldn’t know what to do without pinnacle. They offer lines no other books do. The numbers are great. When I log into places like Betnow it’s kind of depressing, I would go crazy if I had to use a book like that for my primary.

 

[Tanko]

The rest are meaningless and I think a few are not on the screen

That makes sense since as you go through books, over time you'll realize which offers the best lines for each sport and then you fund them the most and use them regularly.

Wish I had access to Pinny.

 

[carolinakid]

Pinny is number 1 for me as it 1st half line,then Grande, Hertiage , Bookmaker

 

[slickfazzer]

I look at Bookmaker, Circa, Westgate, BOL.

 

[jjgold]

Westgate useless
Small time book Now
Some credit shops are well respected

Let me give you one hint Ohio State

 

[slickfazzer]

Westgate useless
Small time book Now
Some credit shops are well respected

Let me give you one hint Ohio State

Buckeye - the Sexton boys run that still?

 

[flyingillini]

Pinny is number 1 for me as it 1st half line,then Grande, Hertiage , Bookmaker

Pinny is my main book and toy around with a few others.

 

[KVB]

Know Your Markets

Do more than just follow the books, know the clientele, know the markets.

If you do this correctly, you may be able to anticipate moves to a degree you never thought you could and you’ll be able to root out manipulation, to a degree.

 

[Tanko]

Know Your Markets

Do more than just follow the books, know the clientele, know the markets.

If you do this correctly, you may be able to anticipate moves to a degree you never thought you could and you’ll be able to root out manipulation, to a degree.

Its really tough to know the clientele and get a feel for their market when you join a book or even research a little. Seems like that knowledge takes years and comes with time.

There are also many aspects to knowing a books market. The most basic one is, are they playing for recreational plays or do they go for the big boys?

 

[carolinakid]

for me it took yrs Tank to get the feel and that why i only trust 4 to 5

 

[pete0]

bookmaker & pinny

what else would be there ?? @jjgold

 

[KVB]

Its really tough to know the clientele and get a feel for their market when you join a book or even research a little. Seems like that knowledge takes years and comes with time.

There are also many aspects to knowing a books market. The most basic one is, are they playing for recreational plays or do they go for the big boys?

Yes and no.

Look at those examples I give in Knowing Your Markets.

You know, for the most part, which books are limiting or booting market beaters, or at least which definitely do not.

You can see, when the market moves, which books are holding and where. This ties into the other thread where I talk about books that will, for example, raise the dog price to take in the +EV action to increase their handle, and which books just plain won't do that, despite constantly increasing the favorite price as, we like to say, Joe Schmoe just wants the Yankees to win, he doesn't care what he pays.

But you aren't wrong, experience helps but I really do feel like I gave everyone a big leg up on what to look for and how to gain that experience.

Not tooting my own horn, that's just how I see it. That Knowing Your Markets video is something you simply don't see, anywhere. It is probably one of the biggest "give back to the community" things I've ever done.

With the right line services and info, it can be a major part of getting EV, even with simple ratings that anyone could create.

 

[pete0]

Know Your Markets

Do more than just follow the books, know the clientele, know the markets.

If you do this correctly, you may be able to anticipate moves to a degree you never thought you could and you’ll be able to root out manipulation, to a degree.

say a rec. book like BetAnysports compared to BM, Pinny ??

Thoughts?

 

[carolinakid]

no way does it compare Pete

 

[pete0]

I meant, what to look for in comparison with linemovement.

i'll rewatch the knowing ur markets video again.

 

[KVB]

say a rec. book like BetAnysports compared to BM, Pinny ??

Thoughts?

Not a bad book at all and, in fact, you can find better prices there than the other books. It all depends on what you're looking for.

That said, they won't treat winners as well as BOL, BM, or Pinny would. They can offer a better deal, even on favorites sometimes, but they're also using other risk managment, not just line movement, to suppress +EV action, which is -EV to them.

BAS is a good out when it's an available out.

 

[KVB]

I meant, what to look for in comparison with linemovement.

i'll rewatch the knowing ur markets video again.

Notice the part late in the video where I talk about the smaller book who is juicing the favorite but won't sweeten the dog.

Sure, he can sweeten the dog and get a bigger hold %, which a good book would want, but as soon as he does he will balance out the action on the Favorite, and those coming in may be +EV bettors getting a good dog price. Unless he's already kicked out all of his sharper bettors.

But just to be safe, that book is likely to offer a higher favorite and still be shorting on the dog. A book doing that regularly against the market, basically reveals their cards.

When it comes to something like football, not just moneylines, one thing to do is to look at alternate lines at a sharp book, like Pinny, and see if one of those off books can beat it in their alt lines.

The straight up obvious markets, in big sports, can be harder to identify but if you walk down the alt lines and props, you can find books that are off of what most would consider an efficient or mathematically "correct" sharp book.

But even the sharp book wants action, so it has to price where people will buy, or sell.

 

[jjgold]

USA books have no bearing on sharp
Money