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What was the match ?
Assuming this involved a retirement ?
Every book is different - and there is no standard ruling on retirement once the first set complete. Some books consider the match official after 1 full set - some require full match before official for ML wagers (spreads/totals always require full match).
See my post about Bet105 earlier this week - voided a bet and then changed to a loss days later.
Ultimately - it’s not uncommon for books to grade a match a winner/loser and then void later. I have no issue with this IF ITS DONE WITHIN 24 HOURS.
After all - results pull from a feed that grades wagers - feed shows a winner and a loser, but doesn’t reflect the shortened match.
BettorsDen has been fine with me in the past - just another reason to be aware of where you are betting tennis at and ask rules IN ADVANCE.
Bookmaker for example has some odd rules on tennis and baseball (rain outs) you don’t see everywhere else - so pays to be aware of where you play as not every book grades on the same rules - which is why some offer sharper lines.
Assuming this involved a retirement ?
Every book is different - and there is no standard ruling on retirement once the first set complete. Some books consider the match official after 1 full set - some require full match before official for ML wagers (spreads/totals always require full match).
See my post about Bet105 earlier this week - voided a bet and then changed to a loss days later.
Ultimately - it’s not uncommon for books to grade a match a winner/loser and then void later. I have no issue with this IF ITS DONE WITHIN 24 HOURS.
After all - results pull from a feed that grades wagers - feed shows a winner and a loser, but doesn’t reflect the shortened match.
BettorsDen has been fine with me in the past - just another reason to be aware of where you are betting tennis at and ask rules IN ADVANCE.
Bookmaker for example has some odd rules on tennis and baseball (rain outs) you don’t see everywhere else - so pays to be aware of where you play as not every book grades on the same rules - which is why some offer sharper lines.
From May 16th ?
So Paquet win a walkover - 3rd set never started and match was tied at 1-1 at the time of retirement.
This one seems pretty straightforward actually - the match was ended early due to retirement and neither party had an advantage at the time of retirement.
I could see if you were up a set and leading the 2nd handily - or even had an advantage in the 3rd here. But there was no clear “winner” established - barring injury - live odds would have likely reflected the pre-match betting odds and no significant advantage gained.
Correct call here by the book in voiding all bets.
So Paquet win a walkover - 3rd set never started and match was tied at 1-1 at the time of retirement.
This one seems pretty straightforward actually - the match was ended early due to retirement and neither party had an advantage at the time of retirement.
I could see if you were up a set and leading the 2nd handily - or even had an advantage in the 3rd here. But there was no clear “winner” established - barring injury - live odds would have likely reflected the pre-match betting odds and no significant advantage gained.
Correct call here by the book in voiding all bets.
Also, a walkover is a match that never started and forfeited. This was played and Animisova was struggling
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Ok - retirement.
It’s termed a walkover on the box score I pulled -
point is even if the match met the 10.5 rule - there was no clear winner with each participant holding 1 set each.
You can project what might have happened in the 2nd set - but fact was for betting purposes the match was tied. Nothing owed here but a refund to all bettors.
It’s termed a walkover on the box score I pulled -
point is even if the match met the 10.5 rule - there was no clear winner with each participant holding 1 set each.
You can project what might have happened in the 2nd set - but fact was for betting purposes the match was tied. Nothing owed here but a refund to all bettors.
no, not at all. Score at the time of retirement has no relevance btw, as long as the 1st set has been completed.
The rules are actually very poorly written and confusing (for instance 10.3 and 10.4 has contradictory rules, one saying markets having action once a ball has been served and the other saying the 1st set has to be completed, but between
10.3 Markets have action once a ball is served, regardless of when the match or event starts or finishes and wagers will remain pending until their completion.
and
10.4 A “Walk Over Winner” occurs when a player retires, resigns, or concedes before a match. We will settle as “No Action” markets on matches that do not complete the first set. We settle markets on matches that end at the completion of the first set with the advancing player as the winner.
my interpretation is that your Paquet ML bet should be settled as a winner, as there is nothing in their rules that say it should be voided.
Rule 10.5 is for props and set props and has no relevance for this.
10.5 Single-game proposition markets and set proposition markets require the specific set to be completed to have action. If a participant retires, resigns, or concedes during the match we will cancel other proposition markets that relate to the match. The Money line for the match is the only market that we do not consider a proposition market for settlement purposes.
I have never dealt with Bettors Den, but I would point out rule 10.4 to them and ask for bet to be regraded, to start with.
It's so poorly worded, but I think with 10.4 they mean that if a player retires, they pay out on who advances as long as the first set is completed and settle as no action if the retirement takes plays before the 1st set is completed. For walkovers, they settle as no action since the 1st set wasn't completed. Resign is not a term used in tennis.
Maybe someone who plays there can share some input on how they normally settle retirements? Eitherway, OP has a good case for getting this regraded imo.
Maybe someone who plays there can share some input on how they normally settle retirements? Eitherway, OP has a good case for getting this regraded imo.
That’s the way I read it. Seems like player advancing would be winner on pre-match wager
Obviously live bets voided
What makes you say obviously live bets voided? I see nothing in their rules that suggests different grading depending on if bets were placed prematch or live, I know some books do. The only scenario I would see them void live is if bets are placed after the retirement (10.7). Unless I'm missing something.
Was bet at trailing 6-3, 3-3 (30-15) in second
I did multiple times and filed a complaint here. They’re telling me it was refunded and considered a tie as there’s no advantage which is odd to me. There was a winner and I’ve lost like this at many books, including this one like this. Seems like a grey area and probably house wins or refunds on their losses. I won’t play there again, which I deposited often
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