Who in your opinion is the rightful single-season HR leader??

[BigJay]

I’m still pissed the steroid era guys skewed all the baseball numbers I loved to study and memorize as a kid.

I kind of like to think it’s Judge since everyone above him was obviously a juicer

Would be fun if that number 62 was the record with a couple of guys on the chase this season

 

[jjgold]

Mantle

 

[djefferis]

To me - it’s just a number.

Home stadium makes just as much difference as steroids.

Yankee Stadium boost numbers just as much as any drug.

Pitchers took roids too - guys throwing harder than ever.

In the end - how many HR’s you hit in a season is just a number. Brady Anderson, Chris Davis and Greg Vaughn are on this list and no one would place them among the “greatest” HR hitters of all time. Dave Kingman just missed the list and he was a great long ball hitter.

 

[Wagerallsports]

Do they ever test Judge?

 

[BigJay]

Do they ever test Judge?

Judge was huge (that’s what she said) way back. Not one of those guys who blew up from much smaller like Bonds, Sosa and McGwire

 

[jamesy2422]

i personally think a lot of these guys now are taking "research" peptides and SARMs in all sports. these are just as good if not better than old school steroids. do i care? no. you do what you need to do.

whey protein isolate is not natural. it is made. whey protein is a natural substance but making it into a powder fortified with bcaas and less fat is not "natural". therefore, does someone who drinks whey protein at least one time a day have an advantage? in reality, yes. is it unfair? to me, no.

lifting weights is not natural. we are not programmed to be muscular. we are mean to have fat for energy and rest so we don't stress. so does someone who lifts have an advantage? sure. is it unfair? not to me and not to others.

i can go on and on with other examples. my point is there is no way to make the playing field even so to judge guys for doing things not being tested opens up a huge can of worms over what is really "cheating". if someone fails a test after 2003 I believe their stats should not count, period. but in 1998? to me, they used a way to recuperate and grow like any other option. baseball made the mistake in not testing.

bottom line, you still have to hit the ball and you have to hit it with a trajectory to go out of the playing field.

also as others have said, the fields are not even the same. that might be the biggest advantage for certain players. do we say someone should have had more cause they played in a pitcher's park? sometimes. but we are always quick to say they have too much cause of a short porch or something. you play what you play and adjust. i believe the adjustments happen from training to stadium dimensions. if you are good at adjustments, more power to you.

is someone who hits to a deep gap in their home stadium cheating cause other stadiums don't have that gap? no.

the only thing i don't like is colorado having thin air for hitting. that is an actual environmental real world edge not available for anyone else in baseball.

sorry for the length.

 

[209life]

Bonds. Best hitter to ever swing a bat on gear or not on gear.

 

[BigJay]

Would like to know what @Tanko thinks

He’s a big baseball guy

 

[MinnesotaFats]

Bonds. Its been 25 years since the steroid issue arose, let it go.

Also- nobody pitched to Bonds, his ABs are far fewer than his peers while posting his numbers.

Roger Maris was given the Gainesville Budweiser distributorship in 1967 as a World Series gift from Gussie Busch. He was from North Dakota/ MN border and had many friends in the beer business including my father & grandfather.

He'd always be asked about 162 games vs 154 and he always had the same answer, "I didn't make the schedule, the league did. I played the games they scheduled. I was the MVP in '60 under the old schedule and MVP in '61 under the new schedule, they wanna asterisk that too?"

It wore on the guy until his early death in '85. Yet time changes the bias and opinion of all critics.

 

[drunkenhorseplayer]

Roger Maris is the rightful leader, fukk the steroid monkeys.

 

[Tanko]

Would like to know what @Tanko thinks

He’s a big baseball guy

I'd go with Judge for now. I hesitate a little because as @jamesy2422 mentioned who knows what players are taking these days to enhance performance but, is not detectible. We won't hear about it for a few years, if ever.

>>> Assuming Judge is clean... Its him.
If not, its Maris (1961).

There will always be an asterisk next to the top row of guys. I don't care if it was 25 years ago. It still happened and won't be forgotten.




As a side note, I read that in the late 50s and early 60s there was some atheletes experimenting with eating Rocky Mountain Oysters (bull balls) to extract the steriods. Of course, I jest but something like that may have been the "performance enhancing drug" of the day.

 

[BigJay]

I'd go with Judge for now. I hesitate a little because as @jamesy2422 mentioned who knows what players are taking these days to enhance performance but, is not detectible. We won't hear about it for a few years, if ever.

>>> Assuming Judge is clean... Its him.
If not, its Maris (1961).

There will always be an asterisk next to the top row of guys. I don't care if it was 25 years ago. It still happened and won't be forgotten.




As a side note, I read that in the late 50s and early 60s there was some atheletes experiementing with eating Rocky Mountain Oysters (bull balls) to extract the steriods. Of course, I jests but something like that may have been the "performance enhancing drug" of the day.

Does @jamesy2422 get an asterisk?? Dude is jacked. Jury still out

 

[Tanko]

Does @jamesy2422 get an asterisk?? Dude is jacked. Jury still out

I'm hoping so. BMR "pee" test at 1000 posts is coming up quick for him so.....

They used to rely 100% on hair sample tests but, JJ came along and they had to change approaches.