Wagercoast

[elginfitzgerald]

Has anyone used Wagercoast? I deposited a few times and most recently got close to $8,000 and was told the site was only for rec players and that I wouldn’t get paid.

 

[Miz]

Betwws

I deposited at this book. Won over the weekend and got paid today. They have some unique deposit and payout methods as well as bonuses without a crazy roll over. Tell them Pimike sent you.

forum.bookmakersreview.com

 

[djefferis]

Well - let’s start at the beginning here.

Are you able to share your wager history ?

Did you make any plays based on any type of syndicate plays or steam plays ? In general - any book is going to consider those to be big “no no’s” and disable accounts of bettors who repeatedly are making such plays.

That said - it remains my opinion that they are not entitled to confiscate winnings of a player who takes advantage of such activity. They wouldn’t refund your losses if the plays turned out to be losers.

Now if they have evidence of a small group of accounts abusing a bonus - multiple sign ups - different story. But I can’t see WC just refusing to pay because you won 8k - they paid me more when I played there without issue (several months ago - clearly things have changed).

Post your wager history here and let the forum judge for themselves and verify if you used OddsJam or some other syndicate program to select plays. It’s not hard for the average person to verify if plays coincided with what was being touted by these services and again - not a valid reason to refuse to pay - only solid reasoning why a book would decline future business.

 

[titan]

I was honest with them and had a good initial call when they were trying to get everything back up and running again. I'm not part of any syndicate but I used odds software to arbitrage the PropBuilder vs. Domestic Books in March.

My first couple of months on the site when it was WWS, went great (in terms of user experience, markets offered, prices), I did bust out a few times and re-deposited probably 3 times or so. I was strictly doing bottom up Moneylines on major sports, nothing with soft markets and in my case I unfortunately got hot right before they went down. I was up to 9-12K legitimately with just MLs, maybe a few NHL totals here and there.

When the temporary site went up I started hitting the NBA props hard. Ran up about 4-5K that way. Again, told them all this from the get go when talking with them and was happy to forfeit the Prop Winnings but asked for a reasonable payout on what I won with Moneyline wagers.

It's been months since the call, over a month since they disabled my account and weeks since I've heard back. Not only am I out the legit money but also the amount I lost on the other side when arbing to the Domestic books, in total, maybe out 20K altogether.

 

[offshorelore]

I was honest with them and had a good initial call when they were trying to get everything back up and running again. I'm not part of any syndicate but I used odds software to arbitrage the PropBuilder vs. Domestic Books in March.

My first couple of months on the site when it was WWS, went great (in terms of user experience, markets offered, prices), I did bust out a few times and re-deposited probably 3 times or so. I was strictly doing bottom up Moneylines on major sports, nothing with soft markets and in my case I unfortunately got hot right before they went down. I was up to 9-12K legitimately with just MLs, maybe a few NHL totals here and there.

When the temporary site went up I started hitting the NBA props hard. Ran up about 4-5K that way. Again, told them all this from the get go when talking with them and was happy to forfeit the Prop Winnings but asked for a reasonable payout on what I won with Moneyline wagers.

It's been months since the call, over a month since they disabled my account and weeks since I've heard back. Not only am I out the legit money but also the amount I lost on the other side when arbing to the Domestic books, in total, maybe out 20K altogether.

Not to be that guy, but you admitted to breaking their TOS and are surprised they aren’t paying you?

 

[djefferis]

Agreed with the above - but I will pick up in the players defense in these matters.

Books TOS are not written with any player input - any ambiguity or unclear areas are up to the book to enforce.

I realize most books have a similar TOS calling out such activity as not being allowed - and agree that is there right. If caught - the book has every right to decline future action from a player and close their account.

What they DON’T have the right to do is confiscate funds or refuse to pay - it without fair warning. Clearly there were more than a few players out their abusing prop builder. Any book with even a part timer looking at winning player activity can spot these players in general. C’mon - you got 15 accounts all going all in on some oddball prop for limits and it never occurred to you these accounts may be acting on some outside info?!? It’s not rocket science identifying these types of bettors especially when they all consistently bet the same events.

The book has to accept responsibility for monitoring player activity. First shot is a warning - any continued efforts to bypass justifies escalation by the book. If they can prove player was warned before and bypassed restrictions and set up new accounts with a different identity for example for example - fine. But when the player comes clean admits what they did and you say no more - you owe them 100% of their balance on demand. None of this playing games - they paid, they won - they get paid. They won because you weren’t actively managing your business = not THEIR problem.

 

[elginfitzgerald]

I am not going to lie to you all, I’m very much a beginner and mostly just place live basketball wagers. I don’t even know where to begin finding software or anything to steam plays. That is why I was caught off guard. I understand it’s a real thing but I do not use it.

 

[offshorelore]

Agreed with the above - but I will pick up in the players defense in these matters.

Books TOS are not written with any player input - any ambiguity or unclear areas are up to the book to enforce.

I realize most books have a similar TOS calling out such activity as not being allowed - and agree that is there right. If caught - the book has every right to decline future action from a player and close their account.

What they DON’T have the right to do is confiscate funds or refuse to pay - it without fair warning. Clearly there were more than a few players out their abusing prop builder. Any book with even a part timer looking at winning player activity can spot these players in general. C’mon - you got 15 accounts all going all in on some oddball prop for limits and it never occurred to you these accounts may be acting on some outside info?!? It’s not rocket science identifying these types of bettors especially when they all consistently bet the same events.

The book has to accept responsibility for monitoring player activity. First shot is a warning - any continued efforts to bypass justifies escalation by the book. If they can prove player was warned before and bypassed restrictions and set up new accounts with a different identity for example for example - fine. But when the player comes clean admits what they did and you say no more - you owe them 100% of their balance on demand. None of this playing games - they paid, they won - they get paid. They won because you weren’t actively managing your business = not THEIR problem.

I totally disagree. It’s a terrible idea going to a small boom and using software to ring up a big balance. Just plain dumb.

 

[djefferis]

I am not going to lie to you all, I’m very much a beginner and mostly just place live basketball wagers. I don’t even know where to begin finding software or anything to steam plays. That is why I was caught off guard. I understand it’s a real thing but I do not use it.

Ok - so what lead you to sign up with WagerCoast - how did you hear about them and what convinced you they were a good fit for your needs ?

Where are you located at ?

 

[thegreatestgatsby]

I was honest with them and had a good initial call when they were trying to get everything back up and running again. I'm not part of any syndicate but I used odds software to arbitrage the PropBuilder vs. Domestic Books in March.

My first couple of months on the site when it was WWS, went great (in terms of user experience, markets offered, prices), I did bust out a few times and re-deposited probably 3 times or so. I was strictly doing bottom up Moneylines on major sports, nothing with soft markets and in my case I unfortunately got hot right before they went down. I was up to 9-12K legitimately with just MLs, maybe a few NHL totals here and there.

When the temporary site went up I started hitting the NBA props hard. Ran up about 4-5K that way. Again, told them all this from the get go when talking with them and was happy to forfeit the Prop Winnings but asked for a reasonable payout on what I won with Moneyline wagers.

It's been months since the call, over a month since they disabled my account and weeks since I've heard back. Not only am I out the legit money but also the amount I lost on the other side when arbing to the Domestic books, in total, maybe out 20K altogether.

that was incredibly stupid. Take it as a lesson to keep your business to yourself and never volunteer unnecessary information.

 

[elginfitzgerald]

Ok - so what lead you to sign up with WagerCoast - how did you hear about them and what convinced you they were a good fit for your needs ?

Where are you located at ?

Im pretty sure I signed up for betwws and then got a text from someone named Michael Money with my login info. It seemed legit, I’m from the USA.

 

[djefferis]

Ok - same question - how did you find BetWWS ?

Point being - a small time recreational player just googling “bet sports online US” is going to get a couple hundred results before seeing anything for a small book like BetWWS.

You had issues with fund confiscation from Jazz brands too right ? Didn’t you post they froze 9k from you ?

Not saying you did anything wrong - just pointing out the serendipity of the situation. 2 books - both seizing funds from a small rec player - something tells me there’s more to the story - either your not as small and rec as you claim or you just surpassed JJ Gold as the most ultimate jinxed individual on the face of this earth and under a dozen post here.

 

[keithrichard]

Im pretty sure I signed up for betwws and then got a text from someone named Michael Money with my login info. It seemed legit, I’m from the USA.

Michael Money. His real name for sure.