Reliable bookmakers left

[ultrasenor]

So what are some usable and reliable bookmakers left for us who bet offshore, whether professionally or recreationally?
BAS and BetDSI are dead, Bovada will limit you if you win a few dollars and demand live KYC, Heritage and its clones are practically dead.
The only reliable offshore books with decent limits are Bookmaker and Betonline but they have limited number of events up for betting on live.

So what else is left for us Americans who bet offshore? Do we only have these 2 options?

 

[fishhead]

BETONLINE/SPORTSBETTING.AG

 

[fishhead]

BOOKMAKER

 

[Ace7550]

Fishhead is right.
Only Bookmaker and BOL are truly legit.
Next tier is Betus, Betnow, and maybe youwager.
The rest are either thieves or not useable for various reasons.
Hard times.
I remember not too long ago there were maybe 10 pretty good books out there. Bovada was awesome but they stiff people now. Heritage was awesome but they've gone full mickey mouse. 5dimes is gone. Sigh...

 

[milwaukee mike]

Fishhead is right.
Only Bookmaker and BOL are truly legit.
Next tier is Betus, Betnow, and maybe youwager.
The rest are either thieves or not useable for various reasons.
Hard times.
I remember not too long ago there were maybe 10 pretty good books out there. Bovada was awesome but they stiff people now. Heritage was awesome but they've gone full mickey mouse. 5dimes is gone. Sigh...

agree about the top tier... i don't trust anyone in your 2nd tier, betus/youwager both would've stiffed me without help from sbr

my 2nd tier would be heritage/jazz

 

[Ace7550]

I've never actually seen betus and youwager stiff anyone. But they definitely pull some shady tactics at times.
I just can't use Heritage anymore, Worst CS in the industry, worst interface in the industry, and they limited me to peanuts on many things I like to bet.

 

[Ace7550]

It's really just BM and BOL. They are far and away the best options now for offshore.

 

[herky]

Betonline/Sportsbetting - #1
Bookmaker/Cris - #2
Other books that I've been using but will eventually do shady stuff (limit you, change lines, deal different numbers, charge for payouts, etc) but still have been paying - Jazz, Youwager, Betnow, Betphoenix

 

[fishhead]

It's really just BM and BOL. They are far and away the best options now for offshore.

YUP

 

[fishhead]

Why doesn't someone or group start a shop to rival the top two?

 

[Ace7550]

Why doesn't someone or group start a shop to rival the top two?

Takes a shit ton of money and some very smart people. There's definitely room for another great offshore book though.

 

[fishhead]

Takes a shit ton of money and some very smart people.

There's definitely room for another great offshore book though.

YES
&
YES


BAUS?
ACE?
MATHY?
MILMIKE?

 

[Ace7550]

I'm down. I don't have 100 milllion though

 

[rolandcorts]

Complaining about betus stiffing people 20 years ago is like saying you won't go to a certain restaurant because in 2003 you got food poisoning there.

 

[Ace7550]

Complaining about betus stiffing people 20 years ago is like saying you won't go to a certain restaurant because in 2003 you got food poisoning there.

I can only speak for myself and my close friends that I talk with about gambling almost every day. We have been paid well over 200k by betus in the last couple years with very little KYC and no mickey mouse shit.
That being said, betus will limit you, they will bait and switch bonuses, and they will spool you.

 

[Ace7550]

 

[milwaukee mike]

Complaining about betus stiffing people 20 years ago is like saying you won't go to a certain restaurant because in 2003 you got food poisoning there.

what happened to sizzler? and chi chis? both were shut down for ACCIDENTALLY giving people food poisoning. if betislands or betrevolution opened back up would you give them money? would you invest with madoff or trust your daughter with bill cosby because that was all in the past?

and we're not talking 20 years ago, look at sbr, there are plenty of threads from 5 years ago where people were stiffed

 

[Ace7550]

what happened to sizzler? and chi chis? both were shut down for ACCIDENTALLY giving people food poisoning. if betislands or betrevolution opened back up would you give them money? would you invest with madoff or trust your daughter with bill cosby because that was all in the past?

and we're not talking 20 years ago, look at sbr, there are plenty of threads from 5 years ago where people were stiffed

I know you've explained it before but would you mind giving a short synopsis of what happened between you and betus?
Thanks Mike.

 

[milwaukee mike]

I know you've explained it before but would you mind giving a short synopsis of what happened between you and betus?
Thanks Mike.

from memory so not perfect!
every time i went bust, my rep would call the next day and offer me 100% bonus on 1000 deposit... after losing at least 20k, i ran one of those deposits up to 8k and tried to cash out. they said "well you were only depositing when we gave you a big bonus so that makes you non-recreational and we're voiding all of those winnings and closing your account". sbr got it re-opened and they paid me with debit cards for most of it, let me bet for a week, then closed it again and i think stiffed me out of 10% or so.

 

[Ace7550]

from memory so not perfect!
every time i went bust, my rep would call the next day and offer me 100% bonus on 1000 deposit... after losing at least 20k, i ran one of those deposits up to 8k and tried to cash out. they said "well you were only depositing when we gave you a big bonus so that makes you non-recreational and we're voiding all of those winnings and closing your account". sbr got it re-opened and they paid me with debit cards for most of it, let me bet for a week, then closed it again and i think stiffed me out of 10% or so.

I get it. I wouldn't play there either if I were you.