Question about Bwin/Gamebookers/Partybets livebetting system

[Brummel]

Hello,

I noticed that Bwin have the exact same livebetting system and odds as Gamebookers and Partybets. I knew this already since some months, but now I also found out that Goalbet have the same system (only slightly different layout) too.

So it seems that they all "buy" their livebetting system software from the same supplier. Does anyone here know who this supplier is? I asked the bookies but they did not want to reaveal it.
Also, I'm wondering if there are more bookies using this livebetting system apart from the 4 I mentioned.

Thanks, Brummel

 

[G-Man]

I believe that bwin are supplied by a company called <a href="http://www.betradar.com/">BetRadar</a>, who are the largest livebetting provider to online sportsbook operators. They have clients from bwin, bet365, William Hill, Unibet etc.

Sportsbooks tend to use a number of supplier when it comes to trading, so they may be live betting from Betradar and a football trading platform from another supplier.

The big sportsbooks have their own traders, but to price up for obscure markets (e.g, 2nd division Danish Handball league) they tend to get automated services, like what Betradar can offer.

What sports were you looking at specifically Brummel? Football?

 

[G-Man]

You can see the specific link here: https://www.betradar.com/betting-solutions/live-betting-solutions

 

[Brummel]

Thanks! I am only interested in live betting on football. And it looks like Bwin are only a client of Betradar in terms of scouting/match stats. Cause Bet365, William Hill, Coral clearly have different live betting offers, markets and odds than Bwin.
My question was actually...which bookmakers have the exact same livebetting system (meaning offering the same matches, markets and odds (although the odds could be a few % off from each other) as Bwin do). Apart from Gamebookers, Partybets and Goalbet that is.

 

[pier0]

I'm pretty sure that Bwin does football live betting in-house. They may use third party providers for smaller sports, but they definitely have in-house traders for football.

Gamebookers and Partybets are Bwin sister sites so that explains why they have the same odds.

 

[G-Man]

@ Brummel: they would offer the same "system" and the odds would change from the operators based on the liquidity that they get in-play. Therefore, there will always be slight differences in the odds. Also, some operators may want to have more in-play markets than others. It is a solution that is catered to the specific sportsbook. Bet365 may have more in-play markets than say William Hill.

Even large operators, instead of increasing their own in-house trading team, outsource in-play trading on certain sports. This can be through an illiquid exchange or through its own liquidity. Operators often use Betradar for certain live events (eg, football) and get a feed or betting solution from another provider for another sport.

Bwin, Partybets and Gamebookers are the same company. Bwin will eventually phase out the other brands. Goalbet I do not know much about, but the site looks remarkably similar to Bwin. I have seen a football match now – Netherlands v Portugal (U19) and the odds are not the exactly the same as you suggest.

 

[Brummel]

Excatly G-Man! Great answer! So now my main question is: are there more mirror sites like Goalbet, who practically copy the Bwin odds? I'm asking this because I really like the betting offer and odds from Bwin, but dislike their way of voiding bets and their low limits. So I'm looking for other bookmakers with more or less the same offer!

 

[G-Man]

Are there specific betting types you like? Over/Under 2.5, correct score?

I would assume you do not like the odds on bet365, because for me the offering is better than bwin (for smaller stakes of course).

 

[Brummel]

I like match odds, Over/Under on all numbers, Who will win the rest of the match and the Next Goal markets

 

[G-Man]

You checked out bet365? Others you may want to look at is Marathonbet. But not if you are betting high stakes.

 

[Brummel]

<p>You checked out bet365? Others you may want to look at is Marathonbet. But not if you are betting high stakes.</p>

Yes I would like to bet at least 300-500 per bet. At Bet365 and Marathonbet I was limited to a few euros per bet, even on Barcelona and Man Utd.

So I am still looking for a bookmaker that copies Bwin's odds (like Goalbet, there must be some others around I would think). Of course they will start limiting too, but probably after a few weeks only.

 

[beastie66]

probably a stupid question but are bwin seperate from gamebookers and partybets? i know they are sister companies but in terms of player profiling and that how does it work? if i get cut at bwin can i open a partybets, gamebookers etc and be ok or will it just auto cut the account do to duplicate details in the system?

 

[G-Man]

They are the same group (bwin.party), however, you can have accounts with all and once you are limited or closed at one, you will not automatically have the other accounts affected. They are likely to phase out Party and Gamebookers in the future and maybe their internal CRM share information.

 

[beastie66]

<p>They are the same group (bwin.party), however, you can have accounts with all and once you are limited or closed at one, you will not automatically have the other accounts affected. They are likely to phase out Party and Gamebookers in the future and maybe their internal CRM share information.</p>

yeah i noticed you cat even select the country 'uk' at gamebookers so musta started already, what happens when/if they are phased out? you just get your money sent back to your card and thats that, or is it like us offshores and they just close up shop and your screwed?, thanks for the help

 

[G-Man]

If/when it happens, they are likely to send you an email to say that your funds are secure and that they have transferred your money to bwin. Tehy may even give you a free bet
With existing bwin account holders, I am not so sure. The same happened when betfair purchased BlueSquare a few months ago.

 

[Gnudy]

Hello Brummel!

Did you found bookmakers with odds of bwin? i'm also looking for that kind of bookies