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Wagerallsports

Wagerallsports

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Let me first day that I'm an animal lover

I've even considered trying going vegan, but I simply can't do it as I like meat too much

I will admit I've long been ignorant to the ins & outs on animals being raised & butchered for business, food, and survival.

But I've recently had an experience that got me thinking a lot.

My daughter joined the FFA in school this year (Future Farmers Of America)

Each student in this club is assigned/given a pig/hog, that they are to nurture.

Every morning and afternoon, the student must feed the hog before & after school.

They must also clean the pen daily, groom the pig occasionally, and make sure it's fan or heater is on accordingly.

Not to mention training the pig to follow your lead when walking them. Called showmanship.

It's a lot of work for months.

In the end, the hog is shown by the student at the local Fair, the judge ranks them and the student, then a few days later the hog is auctioned off to local businesses.

The student then gets to keep any profits after sold.

I get it, as it teaches many things.

But over time I began to notice things.
Like how smart this pig was in many ways, every time I assisted my daughter.

I literally thought to myself "this pig/these pigs seem smarter than dogs are".

So i got curious and began doing research.

Turns out, pigs are considered and proven to be 4th-5th smartest animals on earth.
Smarter than dogs!
Just as I had thought.

After learning all of this, every time I was with my daughter helping, and watching other students with the animals, it became more apparent to me how smart they are indeed.

This actually began to bother me a lot.

Raising such smart animals, as pets, then slaughtering them.

We don't do this to dogs, who aren't nearly as smart as pigs.
We don't do this to cats, who aren't nearly as smart.
We don't do this to horses.
And so on.

I don't have the slightest 2nd thought it concerns when it comes to far less intelligent animals like chickens, cows, and fish, being raised and/or used for food.

But it seems to bother me immensely with these pigs and very smart animals, who get attached to you.

So, with all of this being said, I suppose I'm looking for everyone else's thoughts & opinions on this question:

Should intelligence factor in our decisions as to which animals we rely on for food?

As for my daughter, here she is showing her pig and her 'showmanship' for everyone.

And let's just say I'm hoping she doesn't choose to do this again next year....


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BMR Genie

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First, just want to say good job for raising a very lovely daughter.

Second, for me, we eat animals like pigs, chickens and cows because they are all farm animals. Though I must admit that the attachment can really change that.

Also, are vegans allowed to eat fish? or any seafoods? if that's the case I think I can survive if I choose to be vegetarian in the future.
 

Tuesday

Tuesday

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I'm not sure about this genie
I don't think vegans can have any animal product whatsoever, so no seafood like fish either or even those fish oil pills...

I try to be vegetarian most of time, but it is hard especially seafood and roasted meats are hard to resist...

Vegan is even harder because can't have cheese or ice cream etc, at least when being vegetarian I eat cheese and eggs since it not killing anything to eat.

Anyways, I agree with not eating animals, I don't like killing innocent things no matter how intelligent they are - I feel it's too selfish to kill things just because they taste good...but it's hard to resist for sure...

Just imagine if some aliens started breeding humans to eat, entire families with grandparents and parents and children and grandchildren all allowed to live together until they are selected to be cooked...animals live together with their families until selected to be slaughtered and processed too.

I'll still try to be vegetarian as much as I can, it's a work in progress...
 

Wagerallsports

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I don't think vegans can have any animal product whatsoever, so no seafood like fish either or even those fish oil pills...

I try to be vegetarian most of time, but it is hard especially seafood and roasted meats are hard to resist...

Vegan is even harder because can't have cheese or ice cream etc, at least when being vegetarian I eat cheese and eggs since it not killing anything to eat.

Anyways, I agree with not eating animals, I don't like killing innocent things no matter how intelligent they are - I feel it's too selfish to kill things just because they taste good...but it's hard to resist for sure...

Just imagine if some aliens started breeding humans to eat, entire families with grandparents and parents and children and grandchildren all allowed to live together until they are selected to be cooked...animals live together with their families until selected to be slaughtered and processed too.

I'll still try to be vegetarian as much as I can, it's a work in progress...
Helpful info Tuesday
 

BMR Genie

BMR Genie

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I don't think vegans can have any animal product whatsoever, so no seafood like fish either or even those fish oil pills...

I try to be vegetarian most of time, but it is hard especially seafood and roasted meats are hard to resist...

Vegan is even harder because can't have cheese or ice cream etc, at least when being vegetarian I eat cheese and eggs since it not killing anything to eat.

Anyways, I agree with not eating animals, I don't like killing innocent things no matter how intelligent they are - I feel it's too selfish to kill things just because they taste good...but it's hard to resist for sure...

Just imagine if some aliens started breeding humans to eat, entire families with grandparents and parents and children and grandchildren all allowed to live together until they are selected to be cooked...animals live together with their families until selected to be slaughtered and processed too.

I'll still try to be vegetarian as much as I can, it's a work in progress...
A big salute to all who choose to be vegan. I'm afraid I cannot be one.
 

Enikk

Enikk

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Thank-you for sharing WAS. It really does make you think. I am sure we will be thinking of that cute chubby guy next time we go to order bacon off the menu. Beautiful daughter you have and such an amazing program and life long lesson that will be for her. We went to the State fair near Tampa a few times. That place was so HUGE. I have never seen so many rides or food trucks in my life. We would always spend time checking out the animals every State farm we go to.
 

Tuesday

Tuesday

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All animals all life i has done level of intelligence...that's why I'm thinking that humans are the anomaly on earth and that the human species is alien to this earth - that seems to be the only logical reason as to why only humans are able to clothes themselves and use/create tools ect.
 

Enikk

Enikk

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So much more artistic ability than I have. Remember back in the day making ashtrays for your Father for Father's day? Funny back then everyone smoked. They were not pretty. I still have a plate I made in kind/1st grade. We're talking stick figures, grass. and a sun. Wasn't winning any awards with that.
 
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