Hurts, McNabb, & Vick Discuss Legacy of Black QBs in NFL

[Tanko]

Jalen Hurts, Donovan McNabb, Michael Vick get candid about being a Black QB in Philadelphia

The Eagles have the most storied legacy when it comes to Black quarterback play, with over 360 combined starts between a group including Donovan McNabb, Michael Vick and now Jalen Hurts.

www.espn.com

Its more of a piece on how one QB was able to build upon the backs of the prior QBs to be successful and how Philly is a team that has the longest history of black QBs.

Interesting article. Can't wait for Minny's take on it.

 

[Archie]

they couldn't get randall Cunningham?

 

[MinnesotaFats]

It's not a legacy...

There was a time when guys like Moon, Cunningham, Evans, etc were legit greats and they played the position equally as well ad their white peers.

As the game changed in the early 00s, the media became FASCINATED by the idea of a black QB actually winning something...Doug Williams won a SB in 87 as a back up, but if anyone recalls the HYPE around McNair & McNab & Vick it was crazy. The media couldn't keep their pants on...but if you actually watch the game evolve, if you even played college FB, you know the position is really a full time mental job (the physical attributes are a given or you wouldn't be playing), and that's where the evolution of the 'black' QB stops.

With the exception of Mahomes, there isn't and hasn't been since the days of Warren Moon (McNair to a lessor extent) a black QB that could call out protection, read a defense, run thru a 4 route progression and deliver a pass from the pocket. This includes Russell Wilson.

Think of today's black QB....Lamar, Fields, Hurt, etc. Their success passing, as was the case w Wilson & McNabb, came from broken plays or scrambling. That is certainly a form of QB play, but not one that will ever likely lead to success in the big game.

So, how can it be a legacy when the pedestal belongs to Brady & Montana and there isn't a black QB that plays the game that way? It's more akin to reinventing the position of QB in a way congruent to the intellectual abilities (or limits thereof) of the modern black QB, and comparing the new style of play to traditional black QBs (those that were equally gifted as their white peers) of yesteryear.

 

[Tanko]

Side note: since you mentioned him....
I met Warren Moon on a flight to KC when he played there. Nicest guy you've ever met. Was humble and easy to talk to. I have his signature on a business card somewhere in my office.

 

[keithrichard]

Side note: since you mentioned him....
I met Warren Moon on a flight to KC when he played there. Nicest guy you've ever met. Was humble and easy to talk to. I have his signature on a business card somewhere in my office.

Warren Moon was a great quarterback. Montana was always my favorite.

 

[BigJay]

Side note: since you mentioned him....
I met Warren Moon on a flight to KC when he played there. Nicest guy you've ever met. Was humble and easy to talk to. I have his signature on a business card somewhere in my office.

I met him in San Marcos at Peppers when the Oilers had their training camp there. Agree great guy

 

[Archie]

growing up, it used to be maybe 3-5 black qbs in the nfl at any one time. really accelerated the last few years. can't even count them must be near high teens total and close to 10 starters

in another generation it will be over half of starters.

the NFL will employ you if you are talented enough and can help get W's and cut you if you don't.

the people that have to make those decisions, lose their jobs if they don't get the right guys on their rosters. so the numbers are for performance and potential as deemed by decision makers at the highest levels

 

[MinnesotaFats]

I always look back at Tecmo (1991):
Moon
Cunningham
Ware
Peete

3 of those 4 were considered runners (like todays) and never won

1995 tecmo:
Moon
Blake
Cunningham

Right now there are 9 black starters; 3 with wining records. 1 is still suspended, 1 is representing himself and wants a quarter of a billion dollars, 1 signed a contract that explicitly requires him to read the playbook, 1 is a career backup for 14 years, 1 got run out of town where he won a SB and now is dead last in YPC, 1 just lost to Washington at home and may cost his team a 1st round bye, 1 in Chicago is a fukking clown who has no idea that the D is LETTING him move the pocket so he throws where they desire, 1 can't stay healthy or win a playoff game in Dallas, 1 steals crab legs and threw 40 ints (not starting) and then there's Mahomes

 

[Enikk]

I just go buy who covers the spread. Andy Daulton is now what 0-12 or 0-13 his last 13 prime-time games??

Moon was a thing of beauty to watch. I despised the Eagles back than but need to go back and watch some Cunningham film. He had a unique style. Had they had a stud RB(Byars was fb) and a clean Chris Carter than not many beating that team with those defenses. They never really had an O-line either. They should have a numerous championships.

 

[Wagerallsports]

The gap between black and white quarterbacks is just as large as the gap there is between black and white running backs in the NFL

Yes there have been some really good black quarterbacks but has there really ever been a great one?

You cannot even put the best black quarterbacks in the same breath as the great white quarterbacks (let's not start with Mahomes because he is half & half)

And as I said above you can say the same thing for running backs there are no white players that you can mention in the same breath as the Great black running backs

Nothing wrong with admitting that some ppl are better at some things

If we want to ever compare players by color then Tight End and Offensive line is where it's at. Starting to trend towards defensive line too

 

[Archie]

Christian McCaffery?

lots of opinions based in the past from old heads

more present facts

3 out of last 6 men to win NFL mvp were Black Men

It's a triggering subject for some, so there will be many words, qualifers, disqualifers ect

but ask yourself why?

 

[carolinakid]

i have never like the dog killer and his brother, not good people imo

 

[Wagerallsports]

Christian McCaffery?

lots of opinions based in the past from old heads

more present facts

3 out of last 6 men to win NFL mvp were Black Men

It's a triggering subject for some, so there will be many words, qualifers, disqualifers ect

but ask yourself why?

There's always a diamond in the rough Arch

But even though Christian McCaffrey is a great talent, he's not one of the great running backs ever

There's no white running back ever that you can compare to Barry sanders, Jim brown, emmitt smith, Walter payton, and so on

Just like there's no black quarterback you can ever compare to Tom brady, Dan marino, Joe montana, Aaron Rodgers, Steve young, Peyton Manning,and so on

Is anyone here really going to dare compare Randall cunningham, Donovan mcnabb, and Michael Vick to the names just mentioned above?

Same thing goes with wide receivers.
Even the few very good white receiver is there have been should never be mentioned in the same breath with the great black wide receivers.

The only positions you can compare by color like I said are tight end and linemen

Listen everyone

Taking about racial differences has no correlation to racism

 

[Tanko]

i have never like the dog killer and his brother, not good people imo

Guy was talented but I never got over that aspect of his life either. Not sure but, everytime I saw him afterwards, that's what I though about (dog fighting) and I didn't like it.

 

[carolinakid]

yep i guess i love dogs here so much and really thought he should not came back to the nfl.a very brutal sport his sideline was

 

[lekidecincinnati]

give it a few years looking pretty good for the future

mahomes
fields
tua
hurts
watson
dak
lamar
murray



where is the thread by op why black coaches aren't smart enough to win the superbowl

 

[Tanko]

where is the thread by op why black coaches aren't smart enough to win the superbowl

I didn't read an article about that topic.
Do you believe that is the case? I don't. I think there is major racial bias in NFL coaching hires.

 

[lekidecincinnati]

I didn't read an article about that topic.
Do you believe that is the case? I don't. I think there is major racial bias in NFL coaching hires.

i don't believe but op has a thing where he thinks white people are better than blacks

 

[Tanko]

i don't believe but op has a thing where he thinks white people are better than blacks

I am the OP and that is 100% a lie.
There are others on this site who say that but not me.

Show me a post where I've indicated that is the case. You won't find one.

 

[lekidecincinnati]

I am the OP and that is 100% a lie.
There are others on this site who say that but not me.

Show me a post where I've indicated that it the case. You won't find one.

ur right my bad i meant minnesota fats, not u