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DarkRaver Camper

DarkRaver Camper

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I encountered this a few times in the past. I can’t say I’m proud, but whatever.

book A offered reward points for horse action, not losses. So the reward points you could trade in for free plays. I think it was a 1 for 1 system.

I discovered that you could bet scratched horses and it would count as action. In the AM, for east coast major tracks, I’d see the horses that were scratched. The software didn’t update the scratches until maybe an hour after I gathered the info and made my bets on the scratched horses.

in the beginning I’d churn out maybe $100 or $200 in reward points which I converted to free plays. Instead of using the free plays traditionally betting sports I used them in the casino. There was a certain field goal kicking game that I usually broke the free play down to about 75% return.

in it’s prime I was typically betting 15 to 20k a day on scratched horses. Early in the week there really wouldn’t be any prime tracks running, which is where you got the best reward points. I didn’t get too crazy since I’d have to lay more action to receive lesser rewards points.

Again in it’s prime I was getting between 1k to 1,500 reward points daily ( when the prime tracks were running) I’d break that down using the casino to convert to real cash.

I was able to do this for about 3 or so months. I had my account up to 40k something with this process as a springboard.

Eventually it was discovered and the owner was notified. We spoke on the phone. I had about 5k in my account which was confiscated, rightfully so. I tried telling him this has been going on for months and he either wasn’t listening well or opted not to believe it.

After the money was confiscated I was still able to play there. I figure their thought process was I’m a square and they’ll make it back.

during this cycle I probably cashed out for 20k.

before I did this I probably had a one way ticket to hell any way so…….
 

DarkRaver Camper

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Story 2

same shop as above…….

the book had a software change. They had dgs software and changed it to another. It kind of looked like what Heritage has now. I don’t know the name of the software.

The new software would allow you to parlay, in baseball, the under or over in runs scored in the first inning along with the over/under hits in the first inning. Maybe I’m dumb but this seemed very correlated to me. I made a nice profit.

Just to simplify what the system allowed I could bet a parlay on a pga tournament with the tournament winner along with top 5/top 10 finish using the same player.

When I got busted for the horse fiasco I told him about this. I told him it’s been like this since they changed the software. He didn’t seem to believe me.
 

DarkRaver Camper

DarkRaver Camper

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I don’t think you could do it anymore can you
No, they changed/corrected it afterwards. This was maybe 5ish or more years ago.

I think there may be another book using the same software and possibly could work, but it’s a smaller book, which was rated d ish by SBR. I wouldn’t try it because any sizable amount would be looked at under a microscope.
 

DarkRaver Camper

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Same book as above….

World Cup prior to the last World Cup. I made a 1st half bet on Mexico to win. It was $100. It ended up tied. Scoreless after the end of the first half. I noticed the $100 was returned as if it was graded as a push. I tried it again on another game and again it was graded as a push.

I went into full assault mode betting favorites to win the first half. I won a bunch, pushed some
( stake returned) a lost a few.

Finally at some point, deep in the tournament, they discovered the error. I remember I had some ties, which were returned, but later in the day my account showed -1k ish. They caught on. Without being engaged by them or discussing the issue my account was reset at $0 instead of -1k.

I’m not sure if whoever found this error didn’t report it to the owner because it showed incompetence. Im sure he would have addressed it with me.

yes I have no soul. Probably am a scumbag for my actions. Water under the bridge.
 

DarkRaver Camper

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This will be the last story.
Book B, they aren’t in the business any longer, for awhile.

i stumbled across golf daily matchups and saw an irregularity. They had the start time ( tee off times) an hour after the session really started. You could check the score after about 3 or 4ish holes and make the bet, which you had an advantage on. In my defense I notified the book about this in the beginning but it didn’t stop. Oh well. They had central time zone confused with easter time zone.

last but not least, as far as I can recall at the moment, the same book would have some glaring errors in prop bets. For example the over/under for punts set at 0.5. So one punt you win if you bet the over. If I didn’t know any better I’d say it was an inside job so whoever it was aimed for could capitalize. Maybe again it was incompetence.

that’s all I got for tonight boys.
 

Roy Bacon

Roy Bacon

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Same book as above….

World Cup prior to the last World Cup. I made a 1st half bet on Mexico to win. It was $100. It ended up tied. Scoreless after the end of the first half. I noticed the $100 was returned as if it was graded as a push. I tried it again on another game and again it was graded as a push.

I went into full assault mode betting favorites to win the first half. I won a bunch, pushed some
( stake returned) a lost a few.

Finally at some point, deep in the tournament, they discovered the error. I remember I had some ties, which were returned, but later in the day my account showed -1k ish. They caught on. Without being engaged by them or discussing the issue my account was reset at $0 instead of -1k.

I’m not sure if whoever found this error didn’t report it to the owner because it showed incompetence. Im sure he would have addressed it with me.

yes I have no soul. Probably am a scumbag for my actions. Water under the bridge.
Mine is not nearly involved. My local gave me the O/U on a MLB game of 8.5. I just happened to have the game on and it was 4-4 in the 3rd. I was young and broke. But I quickly added that one to my bets for the usual amount. Always felt bad about that.
 

DarkRaver Camper

DarkRaver Camper

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If you’ve been betting offshore for some years you most likely encountered a game that’s already started but the line is still up. You think for a minute what to do. Temptation sets in. You don’t have a sizable balance that could be in jeopardy, so you take the risk and make the past posted play. Besides the golf story above I think every bet I did this with was discovered. Even obscure games/leagues.

5 Dimes was my main book because of one of their casinos. Made some big scores and no other book had the specific games I played.

in the 5dimes terms and conditions you had Tony’s ( RIP William Sean) unique scare tactics if you bet one of these and got caught shit would hit the fan. I recall what stood out to me the most is the verbiage for past posting on horses.


They made their fair share off errors. Lines reversed/wrong start times, Etc. I’d read about posts about people betting on these and mostly there wasn’t a follow up about it being regraded.

One day I made a bet pertaining to the 5dimes contest they offered. The one where you won 5 in a row you get a $50 free play. Win xxx in a row and you win better prizes.

randomly, to get a bet in for the day, I selected the over in a Brazil friendly match. Maybe over
3 1/2. I log into my account the next day and there’s a message about how past posting won’t be tolerated. Honest to God I didn’t know the game already started. When I randomly made my bet there were already two goals scored maybe 15 minutes in.

I wasn’t banned. I chatted on live chat, or maybe email to let them know I didn’t know the match already started. I’m sure they heard that response a million times.

even without this happening I always stayed clear of 5 Dimes line errors or incorrect start times so I’d not get banned.
 

DarkRaver Camper

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I thought of another one.
book A, the same book in my beginning posts.

I’d deposit and get a really nice free play bonus.

one day I noticed I could play every number on roulette and get paid 36-1 or whatever it is if I played every number. So I’d be losing a dollar or two each spin I bet a dollar on each number but winning $36ish. So lose two dollars in free play money each spin while earning $36

how the system should have been set up is I’d be losing money each spin if I played every number. I’d lose $38 to win $2, or whatever it equates to.

this went on for a long time. I’d basically be getting a 50% to 95% cash reload bonus by doing this trick.

as always all good things must come to an end. I made a deposit, got the free play dollars, went to play roulette and it happened. It didn’t work and lost money on the spin. I did it a few more times just to make sure it wasn’t my mistake.

I had the nerve to go on chat and asked what happened? I lost my free play funds, etc. They didn’t drill me about what was going on and they replaced the free play bonus for that deposit.
 

BobbyFK

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I thought of another one.
book A, the same book in my beginning posts.

I’d deposit and get a really nice free play bonus.

one day I noticed I could play every number on roulette and get paid 36-1 or whatever it is if I played every number. So I’d be losing a dollar or two each spin I bet a dollar on each number but winning $36ish. So lose two dollars in free play money each spin while earning $36

how the system should have been set up is I’d be losing money each spin if I played every number. I’d lose $38 to win $2, or whatever it equates to.

this went on for a long time. I’d basically be getting a 50% to 95% cash reload bonus by doing this trick.

as always all good things must come to an end. I made a deposit, got the free play dollars, went to play roulette and it happened. It didn’t work and lost money on the spin. I did it a few more times just to make sure it wasn’t my mistake.

I had the nerve to go on chat and asked what happened? I lost my free play funds, etc. They didn’t drill me about what was going on and they replaced the free play bonus for that deposit.
Wow I can’t believe they would replace that for you
 

The Wanderer

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Honesty is the best policy and a lot of times you'll get thrown a bone or a free play. I had one time where I just went on live chat and sent a nice message in my younger days and explained I never took advantage of bonuses or anything like that but can I be given something to play with as I busted out, got I think $200. I had been losing my shirt at that time. :surrender:
 

BMR Genie

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Honesty is the best policy and a lot of times you'll get thrown a bone or a free play. I had one time where I just went on live chat and sent a nice message in my younger days and explained I never took advantage of bonuses or anything like that but can I be given something to play with as I busted out, got I think $200. I had been losing my shirt at that time. :surrender:
I agree with this. Do the right thing and you will be rewarded.

I always do this before where I sent an extra points as a reward to all the players who will report issues or wrong lines.
 

Tuesday

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I agree with this. Do the right thing and you will be rewarded.

I always do this before where I sent an extra points as a reward to all the players who will report issues or wrong lines.
Definitely people that help books protect their business should be rewarded for their help, and giving rewards to customers reporting problems is cheaper than hiring people to find problems and cheaper than having those problems exploited - but I read lots of stories at SBR about customers getting nothing for helping, similar to what camper saying...
 

BMR Genie

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Definitely people that help books protect their business should be rewarded for their help, and giving rewards to customers reporting problems is cheaper than hiring people to find problems and cheaper than having those problems exploited - but I read lots of stories at SBR about customers getting nothing for helping, similar to what camper saying...
Yes, they are always a great help and so sorry to those who haven't rewarded.
 
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