Debate: Sports Books’ 1x Rollover Rule On Deposits 🤝

[Wagerallsports]

We’re talking no bonuses taken

After deposits most books require you to wager that amount minimum 1x on sports before withdrawing

There’s 2 scenarios I don’t believe that should be required:

1. If you deposit to play primarily in the casino
2. You deposit to place those funds solely on a future/futures

More to the story coming, but would like to hear opinions first…

 

[Tanko]

I see why they require it....

Books do it to avoid bonus abuse but since you indicated no bonuses, the only drivers for requiring 1X rollover is to avoid money laundering, right? Well, that and the business aspect... anticipating that you will bet, "lose" and withdraw less than you deposited

It sucks but is there any book that doesn't require it? I've not seen one.

Would love to hear @djefferis take on the topic.

 

[Tanko]

More to your point about "Casino" play....

It would be hard for the book to say, Casino play "deposits" do not apply to 1X rollover since the "bucket" of money you deposited at the book is available for use in any betting options the book offers.

As far as futures betting goes, the money laudering issue still comes into play.

 

[keithrichard]

I don't really have any problem books requiring 1x rollover. I understand with the money laundering issue and I find it pretty easy to meet the requirement.

 

[djefferis]

Ok - well in the case of casino play a 1x RO should not be an issue.

- You deposit a dime, your roll is 1k in action at the casino (50 hands @ 20 per). Only player who MIGHT have an issue with this is the slots player who spins once - hits a jackpot and wants to cash out. In that very rare occasion - just ask book to make an exception based on prior play - most should (as casino players - especially slot players are very high profit and players they want to keep happy).

Futures - unless your betting a future below +100 - again, not an issue - and those types of players are typically well regarded by books as they are chasing heavy chalk for a small payout and locking up money with the book. Ask for an exception to the requirement - most again would honor it.

Either way - I’d expect it to be a non issue for 99% of players out there. Short of a player using the book seeking to take advantage of fluctuations in crypto or other nefarious purposes, few if any books should have problems.

I’d see it being an issue more on credit card deposits which are still a thing and have a high fraud rate.

 

[jjgold]

Should be no rollovers

 

[Wagerallsports]

- You deposit a dime, your roll is 1k in action at the casino (50 hands @ 20 per). Only player who MIGHT have an issue with this is the slots player who spins once - hits a jackpot and wants to cash out. In that very rare occasion - just ask book to make an exception based on prior play - most should (as casino players - especially slot players are very high profit and players they want to keep happy).

Yes, this is how it SHOULD be

But I’m talking books which don’t count casino play as part of the rollover

Here’s the story….

I dabble in the casino occasionally

At Betonline I can deposit, play in the casino a while, withdraw no issues

If I do the same thing thing at Heritage, they insist I must bet on sports as well to meet the rollover requirement

It’s either a lack of common sense if you’ve seen that all of the customer’s action was strictly in the casino, or a way to try & force a player into increasing their odds of losing the balance…

 

[jamesy2422]

if i deposit $100 at a sportsbook but only play $20 and have a change of heart of playing more for whatever reason, I should be able to withdraw what my balance is. It could be $80, could be $120, etc. i don't think i should have to play the whole $100.

if i put $100 in a slot machine but stop at while only playing $40, i can take out the whole amount i have. i don't have to play money that i do not want to play.

***the only time I feel like the above does not work is for credit card deposits online/app. i think a 1 x RO is fair. i even think they should wait for the payment to clear on their end.

******this is also why i hate RO for sportsbooks when you get a bonus. there already is a built in edge called the VIG. now they force you to "stay and play" and hopefully lose so they do not pay you. i am not saying you should get the bonus without playing but 1x is enough. if you win, you win. if you lose, you lose.

if you can't afford to give bonuses, then don't. but don't make me play more than the amount i came to play with just to get free money. you are giving me money on the $100, not the $100 x whatever rollover.

even with a 4x roll at 10% bonus you are making me play $440 when I only wanted to play $110.

 

[jamesy2422]

Yes, this is how it SHOULD be

But I’m talking books which don’t count casino play as part of the rollover

Here’s the story….

I dabble in the casino occasionally

At Betonline I can deposit, play in the casino a while, withdraw no issues

If I do the same thing thing at Heritage, they insist I must bet on sports as well to meet the rollover requirement

It’s either a lack of common sense if you’ve seen that all of the customer’s action was strictly in the casino, or a way to try & force a player into increasing their odds of losing the balance…

i think youwager counts a percentage of your play in the casino towards sports. i think it is small but it is something.

if you took no bonus, why should they care if you play in sports? seems like they want you to lose.

 

[tryteasers]

Should be no rollovers

I agree with what he said. I don’t think regular sports books that are legal require you to roll over your deposit.

 

[BigJay]

I see why they require it....

Books do it to avoid bonus abuse but since you indicated no bonuses, the only drivers for requiring 1X rollover is to avoid money laundering, right? Well, that and the business aspect... anticipating that you will bet, "lose" and withdraw less than you deposited

It sucks but is there any book that doesn't require it? I've not seen one.

Would love to hear @djefferis take on the topic.

 

[keithrichard]

Speaking of bonuses and rollovers I know a guy who took a bonus at BAS and is up money from casino. Does anyone know if casino play counts towards RO there?

 

[JDS]

Speaking of bonuses and rollovers I know a guy who took a bonus at BAS and is up money from casino. Does anyone know if casino play counts towards RO there?

It does not count if it’s a sports bonus, but with no bonus it counts toward your 1X RO from deposit.

 

[BigJay]

It does not count if it’s a sports bonus, but with no bonus it counts toward your 1X RO from deposit.

My experience exactly

 

[keithrichard]

It does not count if it’s a sports bonus, but with no bonus it counts toward your 1X RO from deposit.

Ok I deposited taking the 25% cash bonus so I guess will have to do the 6x roll. Should be no problem as small deposit. Thanks JDS.

 

[djefferis]

Yes, this is how it SHOULD be

But I’m talking books which don’t count casino play as part of the rollover

Here’s the story….

I dabble in the casino occasionally

At Betonline I can deposit, play in the casino a while, withdraw no issues

If I do the same thing thing at Heritage, they insist I must bet on sports as well to meet the rollover requirement

It’s either a lack of common sense if you’ve seen that all of the customer’s action was strictly in the casino, or a way to try & force a player into increasing their odds of losing the balance…

Simple solution - play at books who care about their customers.

Heritage I can at least get with the BTC rebate monthly - in theory you could get shot takers loading up there using BTC - collecting a bonus and playing a single hand of video poker asking for their money back I guess.

But yea - it’s well documented the head guy there in customer service isn’t exactly great at customer service. Some people just don’t understand the basics of the business. It’s funny - BetJam (who was ran by one of the best at customer service in my experience) sold their clients to Heritage and then Heritage gets taken over and brings in the worst in the industry at customer service. Hell - even the infamous “Tony” at 5Dimes understood how to treat losing customers and keep them happy.

Telling a long term winner no is one thing - but if your refusing to bend rules for players betting your online casino which is 100% profitable long term - you need to find a job your better suited for.

 

[pipe]

Say you deposit but change your mind for whatever reason. Some books mandate you wager 1× before withdraw. Some books will hold the money 24 hours if you decide not to wager it and allow you to withdraw. Fwiw they wanna make sure that you aren't playing the system for free in any way shape or form.

 

[jamesy2422]

CC i totally understand cause you can beat them if you withdraw fast enough and then dispute the original transaction.

but crypto or ACH? just pay me whenever i want.

as much as i know youwager can suck, they sometimes do allow withdrawal of winnings while still meeting rollover.