Baseball scoring is weird

[djefferis]

Explain reasonably why Bibee is NOT the winning pitcher of record in yesterday’s nDetroit/Cleveland game - solely because he started and ONLY pitched 4 2/3 scoreless innings and exited with a 4-0 lead.

Instead the reliever who comes in to replace him gets credited with the win.

Outdated rule - the days of starters going 6-7 or more every game - especially in playoffs is over.

Rule needs changed to simply require a “quality start” in the eyes of the official scorer if does not meet the 5 inning requirement. Probably cost some prop bettors a win yesterday. I get a guy comes out in a bullpen game throws a scoreless 1st and then gets pulled before the 2nd with a lead not being the winner - but this is not that.

 

[jjgold]

That’s a good point they should change these rules

Although yesterday, Philadelphia screwed up, they should’ve let their starter pitch nine innings. You gotta win the game in the playoffs.

 

[djefferis]

These short series - it’s a tricky situation. Dominant starter can pitch again for you if needed if you don’t over use them - but letting them go deep might eliminate the need.

 

[JDS]

I happen to still like the rule. It’s very simple pitcher has to pitch the majority of the game to get credit for a decision.

 

[jjgold]

I hear you, but you have to win the first game

 

[djefferis]

I happen to still like the rule. It’s very simple pitcher has to pitch the majority of the game to get credit for a decision.

isn’t a majority of the game 4.5 innings ?

He pitched 4 2/3 and didn’t get the credit.

I get what you’re saying - just saying there should be exceptions for cases like this - obviously a guy pitching an inning or 2 -no. But pitch say 4 1-3 and get caught in a long rain delay so someone else takes over - their needs to be a way to record the quality start ruined by a delay.

 

[JDS]

isn’t a majority of the game 4.5 innings ?

He pitched 4 2/3 and didn’t get the credit.

I get what you’re saying - just saying there should be exceptions for cases like this - obviously a guy pitching an inning or 2 -no. But pitch say 4 1-3 and get caught in a long rain delay so someone else takes over - their needs to be a way to record the quality start ruined by a delay.

Yeah technically you have a point that would be majority.

 

[Wagerallsports]

Starting a guy on 2nd base in extra innings is one of the stupidest things in sports too

Go 1-2 extra innings normally and start having ties

 

[BigJay]

That’s a good point they should change these rules

Although yesterday, Philadelphia screwed up, they should’ve let their starter pitch nine innings. You gotta win the game in the playoffs.

Jack Morris rolling over in his grave

 

[BigJay]

That’s a good point they should change these rules

Although yesterday, Philadelphia screwed up, they should’ve let their starter pitch nine innings. You gotta win the game in the playoffs.

Ryan would go on to pitch 20 more years

 

[Tanko]

Got to go 5 innings.

 

[djefferis]

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Ryan would go on to pitch 20 more years

For every Nolan - how many guys could we name who blew our arms before 30 though ?

 

[BigJay]

For every Nolan - how many guys could we name who blew our arms before 30 though ?

7

 

[KVB]

Got to go 5 innings.

This^^^.

There has to be a cut off. A pitcher can't come in, pitch the first inning, get a 3 run lead, then leave the game and get the win.

The pitcher and manager know the rules and if the pitcher could have stayed another 1/3 inning, that pithcer could have protected his stat.

It's pretty simple.

Now you can argue 4 innings, 1/3, 2/3 inning, etc but the rule is 5 innings and is there really a reason to change that?

 

[KVB]

But pitch say 4 1-3 and get caught in a long rain delay so someone else takes over - their needs to be a way to record the quality start ruined by a delay.

No, there doesn't.

What if they decide to record it at 4 innings, instead of 5.

But 3 2/3s innings in, there's a delay.

A line has to be drawn somewhere and it has been drawn.

I would be against changing that line as it will lead to more problems than you think it will solve.

 

[djefferis]

That’s why you keep the 5 and add an exception of “If in the official scorer discretion” to the rule.

Preserves the 5 inning requirement - but gives the scorer leaway too.

Scoring is never black and white in baseball - lots of should be errors not charged and some questionable errors charged every year for example.

 

[MinnesotaFats]

Baseball is, for now...the greatest sport of all time, thou Owners & Commish are trying to fukk it up.

 

[LT Profits]

Very simple, starter MUST go 5 innings to qualify for win. that has been rule since before I was born (and I voted for Lincoln).

 

[keithrichard]

Starting a guy on 2nd base in extra innings is one of the stupidest things in sports too

Go 1-2 extra innings normally and start having ties

Totally agree. It was supposed to be temporary because of covid crap. Absolutely no reason to be still using this rule.

 

[keithrichard]

Jack Morris rolling over in his grave

No REAL starters anymore. I miss guys like Steve Carlton,Morris,Ryan,Smoltz,Maddux,Clemens,etc. Basically all relief pitchers now.