With no candidate except Beltre expected to make on their first go around - focus now on a lot of the holdovers.
Do Helton or Wagner gain enough votes this year ? Where do A-Rod, Sheffield and Manny wind up in their totals ?
This is Sheffield’s final year - likely a no go but eventually a veterans committee pick. To me his career looks similar to Beltre - with the exception of the whole proven ‘roid thing of course.
Helton - yes he belongs. Coors aided numbers / but still a very good hitter.
Wagner - again yes. Dominate for a 7 year period and great for over a dozen.
Arod belongs - but won’t get in again because well he’s Arod. He’s a lighting rod for everything people hate about the modern game - big $$ contract, me first player and steroids.
Manny Ramirez pretty much Arod Jr - same fate.
Francisco Rodriguez seems a big jump I think - especially if Wagner makes it in. Won’t break 50% just yet - but gains support for next year.
And for the record - the barring of players for whatever reason is a joke. There should be 3 clssses of entry - stats - writers and veterans vote.
Stats - if you are in the top 5% of key numbers for say any 15 year span - your in. Gives credit to players whose careers are cut short and slow starters - while not over emphasizing guys who had lengthy careers and racked up good numbers throughout. If you’re in the top 5% of BA, HR, RBI or ERA, W or Ks - you deserve to be in automatically.
Writers (with a fan vote) - again - let’s keep the traditional vote option. Players not automatically in can go the traditional route. Cut candidacy to 5 years though - 10 is too long. Fan vote is a “super vote” anyone who gains 50.1% of writers and scores top in fan vote gets in.
Veterans - vets committe considers alternate eras every other year - say 1980 present debuts and pre 1980. After 5 years - it goes to the vets committee of players.
The Football HOF has murderers (plural) in it - basketball convicted gamblers and cheats. The fact baseball is barring Bonds, Rose, Shoeless Joe is a simply wrong.
Last year candidates and results:
Todd Helton | 72.2% | 6th year
Billy Wagner | 68.1% | 9th year
Andruw Jones | 58.1% | 7th year
Gary Sheffield | 55.0% | 10th year
Carlos Beltrán | 46.5% | 2nd year
Álex Rodríguez | 35.7% | 3rd year
Manny Ramírez | 33.2% | 8th year
Omar Vizquel | 19.5% | 7th year
Andy Pettitte | 17.0% | 6th year
Bobby Abreu | 15.4% | 5th year
Jimmy Rollins | 12.9% | 3rd year
Mark Buehrle | 10.8% | 4th year
Francisco Rodríguez | 10.8% | 2nd year
Do Helton or Wagner gain enough votes this year ? Where do A-Rod, Sheffield and Manny wind up in their totals ?
This is Sheffield’s final year - likely a no go but eventually a veterans committee pick. To me his career looks similar to Beltre - with the exception of the whole proven ‘roid thing of course.
Helton - yes he belongs. Coors aided numbers / but still a very good hitter.
Wagner - again yes. Dominate for a 7 year period and great for over a dozen.
Arod belongs - but won’t get in again because well he’s Arod. He’s a lighting rod for everything people hate about the modern game - big $$ contract, me first player and steroids.
Manny Ramirez pretty much Arod Jr - same fate.
Francisco Rodriguez seems a big jump I think - especially if Wagner makes it in. Won’t break 50% just yet - but gains support for next year.
And for the record - the barring of players for whatever reason is a joke. There should be 3 clssses of entry - stats - writers and veterans vote.
Stats - if you are in the top 5% of key numbers for say any 15 year span - your in. Gives credit to players whose careers are cut short and slow starters - while not over emphasizing guys who had lengthy careers and racked up good numbers throughout. If you’re in the top 5% of BA, HR, RBI or ERA, W or Ks - you deserve to be in automatically.
Writers (with a fan vote) - again - let’s keep the traditional vote option. Players not automatically in can go the traditional route. Cut candidacy to 5 years though - 10 is too long. Fan vote is a “super vote” anyone who gains 50.1% of writers and scores top in fan vote gets in.
Veterans - vets committe considers alternate eras every other year - say 1980 present debuts and pre 1980. After 5 years - it goes to the vets committee of players.
The Football HOF has murderers (plural) in it - basketball convicted gamblers and cheats. The fact baseball is barring Bonds, Rose, Shoeless Joe is a simply wrong.
Last year candidates and results:
Todd Helton | 72.2% | 6th year
Billy Wagner | 68.1% | 9th year
Andruw Jones | 58.1% | 7th year
Gary Sheffield | 55.0% | 10th year
Carlos Beltrán | 46.5% | 2nd year
Álex Rodríguez | 35.7% | 3rd year
Manny Ramírez | 33.2% | 8th year
Omar Vizquel | 19.5% | 7th year
Andy Pettitte | 17.0% | 6th year
Bobby Abreu | 15.4% | 5th year
Jimmy Rollins | 12.9% | 3rd year
Mark Buehrle | 10.8% | 4th year
Francisco Rodríguez | 10.8% | 2nd year
