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People are blowing their retirement accounts at Robin Hood

JDS

JDS

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It’s all linked now with prediction Markets and sports betting people that never gambled before are using it all up and losing it bad.


Whoever thought of is crack cocaine was a genius
Does this make you feel better about your own failure of a life ? I feel like it does, you like to point out all the losers in life to lighten the blow of your own reality.
 

jjgold

jjgold

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They’re all linked together one click, and you’re out of the retirement account


You can have $100,000 in your trading account for stocks. It’s all linked together.

Going all in in a dying asset class is terrible business


It takes under two minutes to link all your accounts together


If bitcoin tanks, Robin Hood goes bankrupt they destroyed their business model
 

djefferis

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Great story - too bad it’s not true (entirely).

No one is “losing” their retirement (meaning IRA) at Robinhood or any other exchange. You cannot “invest” in these markets either a IRA/401k. Those accounts have very strict rules about what you can and cannot buy.

For example - you can buy non traditional investments in a IRA - but you cannot hold the item directly. Say you buy gold - it must be bullion and held by an approved source. This keeps you from liquidating without disclosing it or borrowing against the asset (a big no no for IRAs).

What COULD happen is people are liquidating IRAs/borrowing against 401ks to play in the markets. But how is that different from when they did it and took the cash to a land based casino or offshore or now a betting app ? Same game - new way to lose at it.

Really how is it any different than these idiots chasing meme stocks with their IRA or crypto ? SLV became a retail trader fave lately - look how fast it’s falling back to earth. $35-40 by summer. I will buy back more and more and laugh at my profits from the run up when I sold along the way.
 

flyingillini

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They’re all linked together one click, and you’re out of the retirement account


You can have $100,000 in your trading account for stocks. It’s all linked together.

Going all in in a dying asset class is terrible business


It takes under two minutes to link all your accounts together


If bitcoin tanks, Robin Hood goes bankrupt they destroyed their business model
It makes me cringe when Saylor talks about BTC as a new "asset class"
 

Tanko

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I know someone who had over a million bucks with btc
Hes def all mentally fukked uo now lol. May have to send him a fake text to break his balls
I hope the guy is rich and the $1M was money he could afford to lose.
I wouldn't invest anything that wasn't "extra" cash in crypto. Volatility is off the charts. Makes it a crazy ride that's for sure.
 

Wagerallsports

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Prediction markets love sports, but the feeling isn’t exactly mutual​

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CHICAGO — Sports have become a big part of prediction markets. So big that even sportsbooks have moved into the business.

The rapid growth of sports offerings on prediction markets — called event contracts — has captured the attention of the four major North American sports, along with the NCAA and other organizations. Kalshi and Polymarket are the two biggest platforms, but they have plenty of company. More are on the way, too.

Some leagues have jumped on another revenue opportunity, while others have expressed concern about the regulation of prediction markets. But the money keeps rolling in. Kalshi reported a daily record high of more than $1 billion in total trading volume on Super Bowl Sunday, an increase of more than 2,700% compared to last year.

Almost eight years after a Supreme Court ruling cleared the way for legalized sports gambling across the country, the rise of prediction markets in sports has received a mixed response.

“I think (teams and leagues) had to some extent a seat at the table in terms of how states were going to legalize sport betting,” said Stephen Shapiro, a sports and entertainment management professor at the University of South Carolina, “how they’re going to be regulated, who is going to able to get licensed to bet.

“I think they have much less of a feeling or understanding towards prediction markets.”

However, the Nevada Control Board considers prediction market contracts a form of sports gambling and has taken several actions to prevent markets from operating in the state without a gaming license.

Learning about prediction markets​

Prediction markets provide an opportunity to trade — or wager — on the result of future events. They rose to prominence in politics, but the array of typically yes-or-no questions includes everything from the weather to the Oscar for best picture.

When the U.S. captured Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro last month, an anonymous trader made more than $400,000 after betting that Maduro would soon be out of office — raising suspicions of potential insider trading because of the timing of the wagers and the trader’s narrow activity on Polymarket.

Cardi B’s appearance during Bad Bunny’s Super Bowl halftime show, specifically whether it constituted a performance, turned into a headache for both Polymarket and Kalshi.

Prediction markets are comprised of event contracts, with the prices connected to what traders are willing to pay, which theoretically indicates the perceived probability of an event occurring. The buy-in for each contract ranges from $0 to $1 each, reflecting a 0% to 100% chance of what traders think could happen. This differs from legal sportsbooks, which set odds and pay out the winners themselves.

Matthew Bakowicz, a former sportsbook executive who serves as the program director of the sports business management track at American University’s Kogod School of Business, said it works like the options market.

“You have found a partner on the other side that is willing to trade you that contract or that offer. They are a market maker,” Bakowicz said. “They’ve said I will trade you those 100 contracts at 70 cents just like a brokerage house. … It’s a person-to-person kind of environment which is a little bit different than the standard sports bet that you would see.”

Prediction markets are overseen by the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, while sports gambling falls under the jurisdiction of state governments. According to the American Gaming Association, a trade group that represents casinos and sportsbooks, 39 states and the District of Columbia have at least some form of legalized sports betting.

In most states with legal sports gambling, it is limited to ages 21 and older, while prediction markets are open for 18- to 20-year-olds with some exceptions. Prediction markets also have a presence in states where sports betting is illegal, including Texas and California.

There are multiple active court cases involving issues such as state law versus federal oversight and the definition of the word “gaming.” At stake is how prediction markets are regulated and where they are allowed to operate.

The situation is expected to make its way to the Supreme Court at some point.

“The way that these prediction market companies have differentiated sports betting from prediction markets is by casting themselves as an exchange that hosts a peer-to-peer platform whereas sports betting traditionally is conducted in a house-banked system of wagering, where the gambling company is on the other side of the wager,” said Daniel Wallach, a prominent sports gaming attorney.

“But that’s a distinction without a difference here, because I think it’s commonly recognized within the gambling world that exchange wagering is one way in which gambling can occur.”

Kalshi has argued in court that the CFTC has “exclusive jurisdiction” over its sports event contracts because the agency is responsible for regulating derivative markets under the Commodity Exchange Act. The CFTC has a regulation that prohibits an event contract “that involves, relates to, or references terrorism, assassination, war, gaming, or an activity that is unlawful under any state or federal law,” but Kalshi has asserted the federal agency should decide how it interprets and enforces its regulations.

“A focal point of this entire thing, it is one word and is the word gaming and it is how this organization, you know, the CFTC defines it,” Bakowicz said.

The sports landscape​

Major sports organizations have responded to the growing popularity of prediction markets in a variety of ways.

The NHL announced multiyear partnership agreements with Kalshi and Polymarket in October. Under the deal, the league has the right to reject specific event contracts, and Kalshi and Polymarket agreed to integrity provisions similar to the NHL’s approved sportsbooks.

The Chicago Blackhawks announced a deal with Kalshi in December, becoming the first professional sports franchise to partner with a prediction market.

Bill Miller, the president and CEO of the AGA, called the NHL’s partnership with Kalshi and Polymarket “deeply troubling.” The AGA has accused prediction market platforms of using sports event contracts “to evade state regulations and ignore the voice of voters and elected leaders at the state level.”

Major League Soccer announced a partnership with Polymarket on Jan. 26. The deal “includes safeguards designed to protect the integrity of MLS and Leagues Cup matches,” according to the league.

The NFL, NBA and Major League Baseball have expressed concern about the regulation of sports event contracts. But there has been some movement on multiple fronts.

Giannis Antetokounmpo, one of the NBA’s biggest stars, has become a shareholder in Kalshi. The league had a panel on prediction markets on the schedule for its All-Star technology summit on Friday in Los Angeles.

The NBA has not responded to repeated requests for comment on Antetokounmpo’s deal.

MLB had a presentation on prediction markets during its owners’ meetings this week in Florida.

“The interesting thing about the prediction markets is there’s an opportunity to work with the Commodities Futures Trading Commission,” MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred said. “If you got where you wanted to be, you’d have a nice federal regulation to be the same everywhere.”

In written testimony submitted to the House Committee on Agriculture in December, NFL executive vice president Jeff Miller said the league has no plans to participate in prediction markets.

The NCAA has asked the CFTC to pause event contracts for college sports “until the agency implements appropriate regulations,” it said in a Jan. 14 release.

“The answer cannot be the status quo. We need one set of fair, transparent standards,” NCAA President Charlie Baker said.
 
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