BetPhoenix sucks

[redrightred]

Yes, i had a similar issue with the previous management where my limits were cut severely during a rollover, at skybook. However after a long hiatus i was contacted by them where they assured me it would not happen again. They have honored that now for years. I do agree that -115 could be a canary in the coal mine. one small suggestion... Maybe slow down w the name calling and engage in civilized dialogue. It is a better approach in this relatively small ecosystem, and in life in general.

If you want civilized dialogue don't make an obvious whore of yourself. -115 is an open admission that they are bust. They are announcing it. They are just too dumb to know it. There is a zero chance they will survive this.

 

[Miz]

Stay mad, goofy

 

[redrightred]

Stay mad, goofy

I'm going to be mad until they go bust. Don't whore yourself with me. Don't have any patience for sunshine blowers trying to get paid when I am getting stiffed. F off.

 

[ferrisdamen]

It's laughable that you think -115 odds is A-OK. You are making an idiot of yourself.

I can win money playing their prices and you are saying you cannot

 

[BigJay]

it is possible that "new management" is the same as the old management.

 

[redrightred]

I can win money playing their prices and you are saying you cannot

You are a definite moron. You keep whoring and lets see what good it does you.

 

[FrankDexter]

They are not on stiffing payouts.

What they are doing is bait and switch.

Offer people big bonuses right before the football season, get their money in hand with huge rollovers, and then immediately change the terms.

It's deceptive, shady, and generally considered fraud in the real world.

But this is Offshore where there is no help whatsoever, and books can do whatever they want without recourse.

Maybe they got a ton of deposits and will live off that for a while but I really can't see how they will get deposits going forward after this.

 

[btcfan]

If you want civilized dialogue don't make an obvious whore of yourself. -115 is an open admission that they are bust. They are announcing it. They are just too dumb to know it. There is a zero chance they will survive this.

Not sure I agree with that statement.

Are DK/FD both in trouble? Anyone that logs in to those shops (or most of the US Legal) immediately get inundated with pre-made SGPs that have 30%+ holds. I don't think they are going anywhere. Offshore world is different, I get it but essentially if BP can charge 30c straddles and people still play there, it is on the player. Remember, these are the same clowns that had -20/-20 on the SB coin flip. They must have some core of players they can just rake over the coals and don't care. The US public does it with the US shops...why wouldn't they offshore. Oh, but I get a big bonus. I can hear them.

All that said, a few years ago I had the worst experience trying to get paid by these people. Finally did and will not be back anytime soon.

 

[redrightred]

Not sure I agree with that statement.

Are DK/FD both in trouble? Anyone that logs in to those shops (or most of the US Legal) immediately get inundated with pre-made SGPs that have 30%+ holds. I don't think they are going anywhere. Offshore world is different, I get it but essentially if BP can charge 30c straddles and people still play there, it is on the player. Remember, these are the same clowns that had -20/-20 on the SB coin flip. They must have some core of players they can just rake over the coals and don't care. The US public does it with the US shops...why wouldn't they offshore. Oh, but I get a big bonus. I can hear them.

All that said, a few years ago I had the worst experience trying to get paid by these people. Finally did and will not be back anytime soon.

Check their NFL lines.

 

[redrightred]

They are not on stiffing payouts.

What they are doing is bait and switch.

Offer people big bonuses right before the football season, get their money in hand with huge rollovers, and then immediately change the terms.

It's deceptive, shady, and generally considered fraud in the real world.

But this is Offshore where there is no help whatsoever, and books can do whatever they want without recourse.

Maybe they got a ton of deposits and will live off that for a while but I really can't see how they will get deposits going forward after this.

Not yet.

 

[redrightred]

Name one offshore book that has been successful with -115 odds. This is not going to be the first. This is an effort to wipe out their rollovers and then survive. It is not going to happen.

 

[BigJay]

They are not on stiffing payouts.

What they are doing is bait and switch.

Offer people big bonuses right before the football season, get their money in hand with huge rollovers, and then immediately change the terms.

It's deceptive, shady, and generally considered fraud in the real world.

But this is Offshore where there is no help whatsoever, and books can do whatever they want without recourse.

Maybe they got a ton of deposits and will live off that for a while but I really can't see how they will get deposits going forward after this.

@FrankDexter always gets it and speaks the truth here

@baus as well

Thanks as always for your input guys

 

[redrightred]

Frank has been stiffed before. He should know the drill.

BAUS hates BetPhoenix.

Everybody is always in denial in the first stage of the stiff. It happens every time.

 

[Miz]

nobody is in denial. a stiff is possible at any moment at any book. the facts are simply that it hasn't happened yet. Everyone here agrees that the -115 could be a canary in the coal mine

 

[redrightred]

nobody is in denial. a stiff is possible at any moment at any book. the facts are simply that it hasn't happened yet. Everyone here agrees that the -115 could be a canary in the coal mine

-115 is a stiff. Not even TopBet tried this. Stand by as the corpses started floating to the surface. This is Day 1.

 

[btcfan]

-115 is a stiff. Not even TopBet tried this. Stand by as the corpses started floating to the surface. This is Day 1.

I honestly could care less. I wouldn't go near that place after my grief with them.

That said, you forget who the average Joe player is. They don't care they are betting into God awful holds on SGPs. Now maybe the offshore player is a tad more astute....probably not. Average Joe doesn't give a shit about -15 if they get a big bonus. Yes, I saw the -15 on NFL. I wouldn't touch it, but I think you overestimate how many people care. Sad, but true.

 

[redrightred]

I honestly could care less. I wouldn't go near that place after my grief with them.

That said, you forget who the average Joe player is. They don't care they are betting into God awful holds on SGPs. Now maybe the offshore player is a tad more astute....probably not. Average Joe doesn't give a shit about -15 if they get a big bonus. Yes, I saw the -15 on NFL. I wouldn't touch it, but I think you overestimate how many people care. Sad, but true.

Yeah, well this is not going to last. They will have to come off of it. But they are definitely underwater. They are a pretty big operation and can stagger along for years doing one shady thing after another. But they are doomed at this point.

 

[Miz]

looks like tonight's CFB is -110. Hopefully they move all games to -110 as game time approaches

 

[redrightred]

looks like tonight's CFB is -110. Hopefully they move all games to -110 as game time approaches

I thought that would probably be the case. They are going to be -115 up until game day. Not much better. They might as well stay -115.

 

[Miz]

previously they were leaving it at -115. Let's see what CFB saturday looks like